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rtz
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Observers - Can't figure this one out
Say it's a really windy day. Small kites are out and "high" buggy speeds are obtained. Passersbys pay no attention(not that I mind or care).
Now on a light wind day; when "huge" kites are out and one struggles just to do 10 mph; cars slow down to watch, people take pictures and video,
groups stop and watch.
I'm struggling just to move; struggling just to keep the kite in the sky. Why all the interest?
What about the days I'm zipping around at ~30mph with a 2m kite? Boggles my mind every time.
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volock
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Because zipping around is scarier to get in the way of / people think we just have stunt kites out when it's under 3m... But I know exactly what you
mean. No wind and I get twice the questions/photos/people gawking...
Then again higher winds/kite moving and I get a lot more kids with negligent parents who run under the kites and ruin my day.
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Aha, I can relate to this. Even though I'm pretty much still a newbie I always get groups of people pass by and ask questions, especially when I use
the Psycho 15m (now sold). One guy even took the effort to kneel for 15 minutes waiting for me to launch holding his DSLR, waiting to take that
perfect picture. Never happened due to the crap winds Poor guy...
What volock said, I think it has to do with the size of the kite. Smaller kites just look plain and they don't really catch anyone's interest. But
once they see the larger kites, it catches everyone's eye.
Here are some question's I have gotten, so far:
-What is that called what you're doing?
-How fast can you go on that board?
-When was this invented?
-Have you been doing this long?
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IMK
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Maybe they think the small kites are just 'toys' and the big kites are the serious stuff.
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Here on the east coast, it's all about temps and conditions. If conditions outside are cold and windy, no one there to watch. If it's warm and low
wind, usually people come out of the wood work to just be outside.
Best part is no matter how windy or lack there of, if you get going in the buggy, you are sure to get a lull just as soon as you pass over someone
sitting in a lawn chair. :wee:
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my crowd pleasing kites have always been my largest. The venom got the most attention when I had it and for good reason. I could use it with a decent
breeze and I still think their shape and size look magical.
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Yes. Or like the lady at the post office says, "hey you got another parachute in today". Lol
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People are usually stopping in their tracks ,grabbing their phones,and just plain gawkin:o. But then it's not everyday you see a KOKOPELLI kiting down
the beach!
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I can understand that sight giving people pause
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Make a two coluimn list.
In Column A list the number of 6-10 feet land based vehicles you have seen or can imagine traveling at ~30 mph.
In Column B list all the 6-10 meter low flying things you have seen or can imagine seeing 10 to 60 feet off the deck.
Shorter list wins.
Bigger kites have a greater "spectacle" factor and can bee seen from farther off.
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This topic became pretty important when fighting to keep our park. / creating a C.O.C..
Even the folks in city council had to have the situation explained to them.
When the wind is light and we are all out there with big kites the situation " looks " dangerous. With the sucker winds and all the kites aren't
always up in the air. The fact is that when we are out with our big kites we are moving slow and the kites themselves pose much less of a risk of
injury. When the winds are strong we are on much smaller kites. We make control " look " easy and rarely drop a kite. Fact is we are moving faster and
our kites under considerably more tension = more lethal.
This misconception works against us in another way. TOO often I have folks come up and ask " can I try that ? " when I am flying a full sized kite in
pretty strong wind. When you explain to them that you start small and work up to kites like these you get all kinds of negative feedback. Generally
though, they lose interest fast. Nothing worthwhile ever comes that easy! Making it look easy almost works against us.
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Quote: Originally posted by IFlyKites |
Here are some question's I have gotten, so far:
-What is that called what you're doing?
-How fast can you go on that board?
-When was this invented?
-Have you been doing this long?
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As mentioned a little later in this thread, I've gotten "can I try?" quite a bit. A couple of days ago I got an interesting one: "Are you pulling
the kite or is the kite pulling you?" That one came from about a 12 year old and I actually thought it was a pretty good question out of the guy.
I think we sort of get used to and therefore forget how big a 12+ square meter kite looks out on 20+ meter lines pulling around somebody in a buggy,
on a board, etc. That's a lot of ripstop! For most people a kite is more like what Charlie Brown flies (probably 1 sq m) so our big ladies just look
huge to folks!
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Peak-5 (2.5m)
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"You should get longer lines because isn't it the point to see how high you can fly?"
"I think something is wrong with your parachute."
"Can't you keep it in the air so I can get a picture?"
"Don't worry, you'll get the hang of it."
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Quote: Originally posted by Windstruck | Quote: Originally posted by IFlyKites |
Here are some question's I have gotten, so far:
-What is that called what you're doing?
-How fast can you go on that board?
-When was this invented?
-Have you been doing this long?
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As mentioned a little later in this thread, I've gotten "can I try?" quite a bit. A couple of days ago I got an interesting one: "Are you pulling
the kite or is the kite pulling you?" That one came from about a 12 year old and I actually thought it was a pretty good question out of the guy.
I think we sort of get used to and therefore forget how big a 12+ square meter kite looks out on 20+ meter lines pulling around somebody in a buggy,
on a board, etc. That's a lot of ripstop! For most people a kite is more like what Charlie Brown flies (probably 1 sq m) so our big ladies just look
huge to folks! |
I've been asked and obliged twice on "can I try" as long as they are an able bodied male and I'm using my nasa stars because it doesn't hurt them to
crash. I get a kick when they fall forward and let go :evil: It's always a HUGE eye opener for them. :D Not saying I recommend that but use your
own judgement based on kite and conditions.
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Brian Holgate, Kent Kingston and I launched a 24 m Phantom II on 80m lines and some guy walked up to us and said he had seen it from the interstate
3-4 miles away and just had to come see what it was. The kite was above the lights on a soccer field and it's the largest kite I've ever flown.
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Quote: Originally posted by BeamerBob | Brian Holgate, Kent Kingston and I launched a 24 m Phantom II on 80m lines and some guy walked up to us and said he had seen it from the interstate
3-4 miles away and just had to come see what it was. The kite was above the lights on a soccer field and it's the largest kite I've ever flown.
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That 24m PII was awesome to fly and definitely amazing to see in the air.
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Quote: Originally posted by BeamerBob | Brian Holgate, Kent Kingston and I launched a 24 m Phantom II on 80m lines and some guy walked up to us and said he had seen it from the interstate
3-4 miles away and just had to come see what it was. The kite was above the lights on a soccer field and it's the largest kite I've ever flown.
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WOW! That sounds cool. Heck, I know what you're doing and I think I would have pulled off from the highway too!
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MotoFoo86
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I would have been the annoying guy... "Can I try"
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We were riding on Mt. Washington one time. May 25th a few years back. It was a rare instance where there was still rideable snow up there but the
auto road had been opened up for the season.
We had a couple who saw us from the base while driving down route 16 and decided to pay the entry fee for the auto road to drive up and see what the
heck we were doing.
That was a great day. Destroyed a brand new 10m Charger 1 about 5 minutes after taking it out of the bag. I felt awful but had the 12m as a backup.
We had fun though and got some great pictures.
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Got me all excited thinking you came out west, there's a mt. Washington about 40 miles from me. Was going to pick your brain
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My high wind kite is a 12m Rasta Charger 2, my low wind kite is a 19m Speed 3 Deluxe, and my buggy is powder coated bright Yellow with vinyl number
plates in a black and yellow scheme with a plate on the back with my custom created Weird Beard logo. People stop and watch me no matter what kite or
whether I am moving or stopped.
The most common question I get is "How much does a rig like that cost?" I hate answering that question because the answer is, "First of all, you
could die. Second of all, what did I pay, or what does it cost to get started?"
Also, there is a pretty big community of kite surfers here in Chicago, and we share the same beach pretty much any time the wind is right for me to
buggy. One thing that kite surfers seem to confuse is everything to do with foils of any kind. Chicago kiters only use tubes. Period. I have
overheard some of the surfers talking to observers before while they both watch me, and if I am ever flying a fixed bridle on handles, it is called a
"trainer kite." That irks me big time. A 3.5m Reactor will rip your arms off once the wind gets into the upper teens. I find it funny how alien
fixed bridles are to people that took kite surfing lessons and that is their only wind sport. The only fixed bridle they have seen or flown was a 3
line trainer on a bar, and any kite that isn't depower is just to practice before you fly a "real" kite.
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The only observers I usually have are school bus drivers that drive the connecting road to the bus garage that borders my field. I have always waved
but never could see the driver well enough to know if they waved back. Saturday I waved and they honked back. It made me feel welcome so that was
nice. On the other edge is train tracks and the engineers usually wave or blow the horn.
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When I used to fly by the city I'd had a couple guys flying 3 line trainers ask to try my 3.2m Crossfire. I always say no, because when the wind is
high enough that the Crossfire comes out... there is no chance of a beginner holding on to it static. It's so fast in the air, and its power and lift
go up so rapidly with kite speed... it's a dangerous little kite, like most little kites.
Agreed that nobody is impressed to see me fly it, however. The 7m NPW gets a lot more eyeballs, especially because it's homemade. However, zero
requests to try it, I guess it intimidates
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"Where can I rent one of those?"
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Besides the where can I rent that, "Did you rent that?"
"Did you make that?" "No, but a buddy in Texas did!" (Van)
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From the guy looking at the buggy: "Does that thing fly?"
My answer: "Not on purpose."
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How often have you heard the classic "... so wheres the motor?"
I'm going to take a nap now
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Demoknight
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That is the next most common question for me. People sometimes think I am pulling the kite behind me, not the other way around.
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Peter Lynn Charger 2 12m
Ozone Access Reride 6m
Peter Lynn 2013 Reactor 5.5m
Peter Lynn 2013 Reactor 8.6m
Prism Tensor 5.0m
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one of my favorites , esp. on land board, is "I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE"
my answer, "well you can't say that now"
rtz, the observers are like flies...as long as you're moving they will not land on you, so motion is your friend! as long as you are moving they
are not going to bother you. but stop for a second and they are on you!
and of course when its blasting, theres no one around.
maybe its me, but this really gets me going.
people just walk up and just start blast chatting about whatever, theres no "HELLO" , "HI"..."hello my name is..." "Good day" ....zero intro,
nothing. a little informal salutation goes along way in revving up the exchange ...otherwise its beginning and ending can be the same...or
apparently i'm just gonna be listening , like to a homily ...i generally give an uncomfortable amount of time for it continue ... since we were not
formally introduced what can you do?
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