got a kite from Iflykites, and its amazingly fresh.

P4 Psycho 15m and compared to my 12m P4, man this thing is a powerhouse. got on the the water in about 12mph with TT.

did a 3 hour ATB run with my 12m and switch to the 15 for another hour with some water time. anyway fantastic unit. out the bag and right to business. the float on this thing is huge ! a powered session on the water would be a real gut check! thanks Ari and the bonus bag is great.

trampa ATB has been great, the shorter foot to axle distance actually makes rotations a bit snappier , still very rigid thru the trucks but don't notice it as much. hit about 40 mph on it yesterday on a running 4+ mile pass. very stable no wobble in the least. bearings are at the "repack " or "wd40 to failure" stage , i may repack them! we'll see.
BUT the deck pad rubber things have debonded and flapping around, this is about the 100+ hour mark , not sure how i'm gonna get that fixed , the grip on my GI is still there 1000+hours with zero hint of failure.
pics coming of this issue, which i kinda saw this coming so its not a big issue just wanted more from them, they looked so cool, i wonder how the adhesion would survive...so may move into shelf grip tape, Gangsta Grip top sheet seems to be choice not so sure it will do well with the moisture. well see. considering just sand blasting the foot spots on the deck to forgo adhesion issues.

any way totally stoked on P4 15m ! , a bit much but im sure it will find work! trampa unit is deluxe , but kinda sad to see the pads go ...just an excuse to buy some gangsta grip! the marine deck tape i have is white can't see that happening ...any moisture tolerant solutions certainly are welcome. pics of issue process coming up AND the P4 if i can remember to take the phone to beach

Glad you like it! Powerhouse it is! In the one time I took it out, it pulled like a horse in 6mph. It's a shame that I had to let it go but on a positive note I would much rather see it being used more than what I have used it. Good winds and fly safe!

Cheers,
Ari

right on man. grateful for intersection.

heres a look at the trampa pads , actually lost one today (sat) 4 hour session dropped it somewhere, anyway

the wear spot... you can see the abraided area beyond pads contact area. grip sheet gets the repair over trying to rebond


and i made a handle for it today as well.


and this clear cover for strap edge. definitely more comfortable

If you did try the re-glue pad option, I might recommend using polyurethane sealant such as np1 available at concrete and masonry supply stores. Menards has pl brand but not sure if you have menards in your area. clean both surfaces with denatured alcohol, acetone, OR lacquer thinner, then apply PU sealant. We use a lot of polyurethane sealants in commercial roofing and I've found it sticks to darn near everything and remains permanently flexible.

yes , i use alot of poly urethane, definitely considered 3M 5200 thru hull, it is choice for extreme. though the soft texture of the rubber pad makes flexion an issue...so

i went with tight adherent thin, and looks like...


even wrapped all edge to edge with ample wrap lap, i like the height and close finish. i am use to foot grip/strap combo and prefer it


the edge may open up over time, but should remain adhered in total despite wear through. the rubber would not wear fast and is SO adhesion dependent with flex, it would need to be bolted with edge support to be really effective and remain under foot.

grip tape look good. Those bindings and board look premium!

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and i made a handle for it today as well.

You might consider some acorn nuts, just on the extremely rare chance you could scratch/impale yourself with them as they currently are. Not that I did that on a board handle like that while running strapless once or anything.

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if the board and grinder meet i will clean all, but chances are slim , board rarely ever leaves my truck phun box...there is hope !

i did repack the bearings! premium set of SS balls there! 6 months is the goal ! doubtful but the badges are just cool on the seals.

P4 15 pulls another , sweeeet azzz power house !

finishing out the fall at about 3-4 sessions a week on ATB, trampa and P4 15m have pulled the majority and an update on the grip situation...


kinda what i expected,



and rust already on the seen


the bearing repack has helped though wd40 after fresh rinse is still the well adhered to standard.
pushing pass the 200hour mark and still very happy with trampa.

maybe another month or 2 on the bearings ... a few super sessions may easily finish them off

200 hours- soo jealous but real question is- Is the trampa holding up any better then the others except for the grip tape? I know mine is holding up better than some of my other boards but after 3 yrs I don't think I have 100 hours
Scott

still in honeymoon period! the lack of dress in general is favoring a tight look and that is still pretty nice.

by JIBE 16 a reasonable look and feel for goods will be at hand but for now... unit is solid, no doubt best board i have ever had .

the sand abrasion it don't like, really need the heel edge guarded with something, i see why they had rubber on there.

SUPERSESSION! 11-3, Hey and i met Rudy from NY! somewhere in the last hour. nice guy, he is just getting started on ATB. so far so good.

Probably just ahead of the tornadic winds we just had. Well done.

Actually a tornado did touch down within a quarter mile of my local spot. Ripped the roof off of the animal hospital that I can hear the dogs bark at when I'm riding.

strange South wind with alot of moisture, kinda steamy, 73 degrees !. right on man.

The product that was on the board originally is called Treadmaster. It is a decking product used on sail boats. It is sold in large sheets which are installed using epoxy. It is also available in tread sized precut pieces that are self adhesive. I suspect that the latter was used as I see no epoxy
residue. If you should decide to reapply the treadmaster, send me a U2U and I'll give you the full poop on how to do it. I covered the deck on my
ketch with it and had no problems although I know that you put it through a much more rigorous ordeal. I can also send you some off-cuts left over from the job ( white sand color I'm afraid ) Treadmaster is distributed by Lewmar Marine.

cool ted, i sure i will get to reapplication of something! i have used similiar apps but flex is killing the self adhered backing which i think has some resilency built in, we will see, thanks for intel on the product.

Spray on bed liner for pick-up truck beds may work well, adding some large grit blasting sand before it dries could make it better.

good idea! i gues instead of a "sugar deck" that would be a "lava deck". may give it shot ! thanks

Phree, I suspect the debonding is a result of the slickness of the polymer that binds the woven fiber. You might try sanding a little bit of profile on it for the glue to grab onto. I know stickers come off rather easy on mine. Go on and order ya some powdercoated springs from Trampa . Never do chrome anything around seawater (I know you had no choice,bought used).
I used to work on Mark V SOCOM boats for the navy SEALs. We would put treadmaster on them using the epoxy method. As your board is flexible, it won't work well. You are going to need some industrial type "contact cement". Sand area to be applied to, apply cement to BOTH parts and let dry. Here's the tricky part, you have to line the piece up and start at the end and lay it over to the other side. You only get one shot, when it touches it's stuck! There will be no adjustment available. Here's the link for treadmaster http://www.treadmaster.co.uk/original.html

surface energy is super low on the finished deck, abraded has to work better. thanks for the info WG!

really like the V trucks , the springs i knew had it coming. these may get moved to my GI deck and new Vtrucks with powder coat on trampa deck. adhesive can be better i know, but bolted rubber is the phuture.

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but bolted rubber is the phuture.

Ouch!

Full ON supersession weekend(more like the past 2 weeks!), and PHresh juice boost shorts in action on superpeak land board session yesterday. 1-4pm

20-25mph on 15m FS P4 ... holy boostage ! did so for about an hour on trampa and jumped straight to the water for the finish around 4.

and even though the 12m RPM can bang out the big air ...rest assured and unchain the doubt, it is no match for the nuclear action delivered by FS unit.

and failed to mention, indeed the bearings are gone, spit out a shield and slop is hard to deny.

and really the only issue with the board in total(grip has wear but not considered an problem) are the alloy wheel the bearing seat, it has considerable play , all pretty equal, the wheel hub is not gripping the bearing race tightly, shimms kinda like the GI terrantulas will not solve the problem the space is much small. i have not had any race spin in the seat but by the end of the next set of bearings it will be an issue. close to 400hour range so...adding ANYthing is gonna be crap. the plastic has same issues but only side of one wheel not ALL.

ther were some at repack effort and hoped it was isolated, but its a growing issue , perhaps bearing seat maybe tapered for easy removal/placement and now wallowed out ? not sure...perhaps load to surface of this particular material(i assume its 6061)is too high, hard to believe that , and pretty sure they are not 7075. but that may be the answer! custom 7075!

the powdery fine sand/salt i'm sure is a large factor .

a pic of the issue at near virginal state

Is the space small enough that some red loktite would hold it steady? I use it to keep the bearings firm in the Landseglers.

i have considered same, may indeed be a doable solution, if its ultra solid may be a difficult removal.

considered medium blue on one end and red on the other. the next set will really foul the hub seat if i don't something on the swap coming up.

its good idea to support it for sure Bob. you use red or blue...those bearings you have are larger , have you changed a set with that application?

Red removes with heat... Plastic wheel and that heat level may be a bigger issue than the metal landsegler and a heat gun

breaking down those dogs are hassle top floor! breaking out the gun too..no way with the heat, rather epoxy, its tight space ...<200microns.

separation media kinda fouls space so its tight , polyurethane+release.

pretty sure it will spit it out whatever it is, may just squeeze plastic bag in like the plastic hubs, actually works well and doesn't imeped field replacement looks ratty if forget to burn finish edges , wheels stay constantly wet with lube/water/sand/ocean junk , seems if they get dunked at all, even with fresh rinse post session everytime, they're doomed. plastic much so less , the steel race is just eating the alloy seat with powder sand and seasalt ... 1000 hours if the hang on seems fair. by then just have to buy fresh

I've changed them out and didn't use the loktite at first but there was a squeak with loaded rotation. I reinstalled with the red juice and let them sit till set and everything was tight. I only had to tap out without using heat. You might want to try a less permanent juice at first.

thanks Bob will start with medium , i will try and get pics to relate issue and see if it offers durable control.