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southpadreburt
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Any big wheel landboards out there?
I'm a buggy pilot that wants to pick up a landboard that will ride on the beach and wind packed sand. I think I am looking for 10 - 12 inch tires that
fit hubs that will go on a standard landboard. I have not found much using web searches. What do beach riders use?
Prism Micron
Rev B Series Standard,Vented,Full Vented
Rev PowerBlast 2-4
Rush 3 Pro
Ozone Access 4, 6, 8,10
Ozone Summit 8, 10
Ozone Frenzy 13m Ultralite
Cabrinha 7, 9, 13 Xbow
Cabrinha 11 Switchblade
2 PL BigFoot Buggies
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I've seen (and tried) successful riding with 8" wheels on a well packed sand of Atlantic Beach, NY. I had much trouble trying to ride the same board
on the softer sand last month at Plumb Beach.
[Kites]
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- HQ Apex III 7.5m
- F-One Bandit VI 14m
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jrhook
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I'm not an engineer but it seems the physical dynamics, i.e. drag vs. force necessary to move, coupled with the area displaced topside i.e. the rider,
it just wouldn't be fun!
It does appear others have tried to create a hybrid that would extend the ride-able surface... 
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PL Hornet 2m with permission
Flexifoil Rage 3.5 & 4.7
Peak 3 12m
MBS Comp 95 & Michelin Man Padding
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Flexboardz and MBS both have done the 9 inch wheels.
It's hard enough to buggy in soft sand with bigfoots, on a board wouldn't be any fun to me.
Not sure about anyone else but I prefer to reduce the Rolling resistance as much as possible, so that I can worry about having fun than worry about
face planting.
Appex buggy, Libre hardcore buggies.
Flexboardz. Blokarts.
PKD Century Soulflys. NPW's. Nasa Stars.
A few other less flown oddballs,
Line sets from 10" to 328" or 2m to 100m.
worlds only AQR that works.
North American distributor for PKD.
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the 9" definitely give more soft terrain range. in general land board riding is considerably more edging than rolling and this is the real issue.
so in soft you have to keep the kite high, and a light touch "on top " of the board than ride edge heavy. flexboard (wide axle) has plenty of
float over soft and is much better design for "on top" riding.
alot of powdery soft is very difficult in general and step in width and height is the solution, 10"x 4" is about as big as u can go and still have
some type of control .
certainly doable . the lighter board touch and efficient high kite control are the piloting elements that bring it together
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southpadreburt
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Looks like I'm going to go for the MBS Core 94 because of the 12 millimeter axles and new hubs that will take the nine inch wheels. They have also
upgraded the bindings. The hubs should take 10 inch tires when I am ready. Thank you to those who have given me information and help me.
Prism Micron
Rev B Series Standard,Vented,Full Vented
Rev PowerBlast 2-4
Rush 3 Pro
Ozone Access 4, 6, 8,10
Ozone Summit 8, 10
Ozone Frenzy 13m Ultralite
Cabrinha 7, 9, 13 Xbow
Cabrinha 11 Switchblade
2 PL BigFoot Buggies
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ssayre
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http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=22765
have a look at this thread. plummet in NZ uses granny tires on homemade revo trucks. They say revo trucks can be found on kitecrowd occasionally.
Plummet says he is the only one in the world that rides dunes that he's aware of. maybe you could be second.
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How 'bout something like this..?
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PL- Aero v1 11m / Phantom 6/9/12/15/18
Ozone Chrono v2 9m
Liquid Force Elite 6.5m
Flysurfer - Peak 3 4m
PKD - Century 2.5m, Soulfly 3.5m
Ted's Profoil-1m/3.5m
Custom NABX Rev
GT Rapide V/VTT-XR+ Special
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Those wheels are 121/2". I don't know if there's any plus or minuses I haven't ridden it.
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PL- Aero v1 11m / Phantom 6/9/12/15/18
Ozone Chrono v2 9m
Liquid Force Elite 6.5m
Flysurfer - Peak 3 4m
PKD - Century 2.5m, Soulfly 3.5m
Ted's Profoil-1m/3.5m
Custom NABX Rev
GT Rapide V/VTT-XR+ Special
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cheese...is that in your possession? need to try, those wheels must be scary as heck in motion
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Twister/ 6.6m Blade/ 7.5 Apex/ 9m Fuel/ Phantom I 9,12,15,18/ 2 Flexibugs/ PL Big Foot/ landboards
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Yeah, it's mine. Really foolish impulse purchase from a long time ago, when I had disposable income. Bought it knowing I would probably never ride it,
just because it looked cool. I will say that I rode a few hills with it and like the lower cog. But I cannot compare it to anything as I've never
ridden a board before. I am tempted to give boarding a shot now that I pulled it out.
US888
PL- Aero v1 11m / Phantom 6/9/12/15/18
Ozone Chrono v2 9m
Liquid Force Elite 6.5m
Flysurfer - Peak 3 4m
PKD - Century 2.5m, Soulfly 3.5m
Ted's Profoil-1m/3.5m
Custom NABX Rev
GT Rapide V/VTT-XR+ Special
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Looks like an ancestor of the KiteDeck Quadrolution.....
http://www.kite-deck.com/board-quadrolution.html
Narrow tires even 12 1/2" would still sink in soft sand.
ATB,
Sam
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jrhook
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Jeez Cheese, bring that bad boy out, it looks like it would handle high grass better than the 8" wheels on my Colt... I've got a feeling Santa is
throwing a new board down my chimney 
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PL Hornet 2m with permission
Flexifoil Rage 3.5 & 4.7
Peak 3 12m
MBS Comp 95 & Michelin Man Padding
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Sam, you never cease to amaze me. So while the decks are very similar, this deck was actually handmade by forum user Secondwind/Davinch out of Guam.
It cuts about 10 lbs off the weight of the quadrolution.
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PL- Aero v1 11m / Phantom 6/9/12/15/18
Ozone Chrono v2 9m
Liquid Force Elite 6.5m
Flysurfer - Peak 3 4m
PKD - Century 2.5m, Soulfly 3.5m
Ted's Profoil-1m/3.5m
Custom NABX Rev
GT Rapide V/VTT-XR+ Special
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Pretty wild design. Does anybody have any thoughts on how it would turn with the board being UNDER the trucks as compared to above them? This design
would certainly lower the COG.
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Quote: Originally posted by jrhook  | I'm not an engineer but it seems the physical dynamics, i.e. drag vs. force necessary to move, coupled with the area displaced topside i.e. the rider,
it just wouldn't be fun!
It does appear others have tried to create a hybrid that would extend the ride-able surface... |
That one in the middle with grey wheels is built in Japan, IIRC but costs a bomb -- $1200. The tyres themselves are only $80 each. But that's the best
for soft sand; seen it used here too and it just glides every where.
Yeah... I got a kite. Or two...
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| Quote: Originally posted by Kamikuza | | Quote: Originally posted by jrhook | I'm not an engineer but it seems the physical dynamics, i.e. drag vs. force necessary to move, coupled with the area displaced topside i.e. the rider,
it just wouldn't be fun!
It does appear others have tried to create a hybrid that would extend the ride-able surface... |
That one in the middle with grey wheels is built in Japan, IIRC but costs a bomb -- $1200. The tyres themselves are only $80 each. But that's the best
for soft sand; seen it used here too and it just glides every where. |
The tires/tyres are Wheeleez
http://www.wheeleez.com/index.php
Can drop the price a bit by buying them in units of two.
Could probably DIY yourself for considerably cheaper than 1200. Biggest hurdles would be axle width/tire bite and stepping down the bearing size.
Other options are "granny/mobility tires" like Plummet or DuroTraps.
Even more wide wheel madness here:
http://www.mackite.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1615
ATB,
Sam
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southpadreburt
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New 10 inch tires for the beach
Removed the 8 inch T3 wheels that came on my Core 94 and replaced them with 10 inch wheels. Tires are from Harbor Freight (410x350) with new tubes.
Cost of new tires and tubes was about $40 total. Have not had a chance to try it on the beach yet. There is an 8 inch tire in the picture to compare
size.
Prism Micron
Rev B Series Standard,Vented,Full Vented
Rev PowerBlast 2-4
Rush 3 Pro
Ozone Access 4, 6, 8,10
Ozone Summit 8, 10
Ozone Frenzy 13m Ultralite
Cabrinha 7, 9, 13 Xbow
Cabrinha 11 Switchblade
2 PL BigFoot Buggies
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nice, man . defiitely would work that ! toe scrub is the lonely issue i have with big on short short board. that'll be fun
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Looks like a big improvement. I can't believe I didn't think of trying that when I had a landboard. Nice job.
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| Quote: Originally posted by southpadreburt | Removed the 8 inch T3 wheels that came on my Core 94 and replaced them with 10 inch wheels. Tires are from Harbor Freight (410x350) with new tubes.
Cost of new tires and tubes was about $40 total. Have not had a chance to try it on the beach yet. There is an 8 inch tire in the picture to compare
size.
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You end up changing out the bearings I assume, or is the Core not a 12mm axle like my Comp is?
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Stunt Kites: GoFlyAKite Parastunter 1.4m | Pacific Quest Mighty Bug 0.5m and 1.0m | Prism Flip Kite
Arcs: Peter Lynn Venom 19m
Depower Foils: Flysurfer Peak 12m, Peter Lynn Lynx (2015) 5m, 9m
FB Foils: HQ Beamer II 3.6m | Ozone LittleDevil 4.5m | Pansh Ace 5m, 7m | PKD Busta Soulfly 1.5m, 2.4m, Brooza II 7.5m | Prism Tensor 5m | Thunderwing
Parawings Set
LEIs: Cabrinha Convert SE 9m | Ocean Rodeo Prodigy 14.0m, Razor 12m, Storm 5.0m
Atomic Terrain Park Skis (w AT adapters for the wind dieing), Snowboard, 21" Isvidda Nordic Skates (NNN-BC and NIS bindings depending on the
pair),
Badfisher 11' SUP, Ocean Rodeo JT Pro 138cm
Landyachtz DH Race (Bear 852 Trucks), MBS Comp 95X
RB Swindler, Skorpion Skates
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southpadreburt
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Core 94 is a 12mm axle. Used the new hubs that came on the board for the bigger tires. Just changed tubes and tires. The new 10 inch tires are
probably not very good for high speed as they may be a little out of balance but should be good for this old man on the sand. I am a kiteboarder/buggy
pilot just getting into ATB riding.
Prism Micron
Rev B Series Standard,Vented,Full Vented
Rev PowerBlast 2-4
Rush 3 Pro
Ozone Access 4, 6, 8,10
Ozone Summit 8, 10
Ozone Frenzy 13m Ultralite
Cabrinha 7, 9, 13 Xbow
Cabrinha 11 Switchblade
2 PL BigFoot Buggies
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After looking a the Cheeses tall and skinny wheeled board, I think I can use the taller and skinnier wheels on my MBS Comp 95 board to help it roll
through the grass much faster. I found them here. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000AXD9Y/ref=ox_sc_act_ti... They would cost $66 after shipping. They have 1/2" ID bearings in them and I have
12mm axles on the Matrix trucks. The axles would be a little undersized and have 0.028" of slop, but I think that would be OK. |
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As for wide tire solutions, someone mentioned go-kart tires. If you have a local indoor track they may give you used sets for free. I don't know if
they would fit on standard mountain board rims.
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| Quote: Originally posted by southpadreburt | | Core 94 is a 12mm axle. Used the new hubs that came on the board for the bigger tires. Just changed tubes and tires. The new 10 inch tires are
probably not very good for high speed as they may be a little out of balance but should be good for this old man on the sand. I am a kiteboarder/buggy
pilot just getting into ATB riding. |
Ah. I was thinking you'd removed the wheels and used the Harbor Freight tires with the cheap hubs they often come with, and not just swapped the tires
onto the old wheels.
NAPKA US314 (Pi)
Stunt Kites: GoFlyAKite Parastunter 1.4m | Pacific Quest Mighty Bug 0.5m and 1.0m | Prism Flip Kite
Arcs: Peter Lynn Venom 19m
Depower Foils: Flysurfer Peak 12m, Peter Lynn Lynx (2015) 5m, 9m
FB Foils: HQ Beamer II 3.6m | Ozone LittleDevil 4.5m | Pansh Ace 5m, 7m | PKD Busta Soulfly 1.5m, 2.4m, Brooza II 7.5m | Prism Tensor 5m | Thunderwing
Parawings Set
LEIs: Cabrinha Convert SE 9m | Ocean Rodeo Prodigy 14.0m, Razor 12m, Storm 5.0m
Atomic Terrain Park Skis (w AT adapters for the wind dieing), Snowboard, 21" Isvidda Nordic Skates (NNN-BC and NIS bindings depending on the
pair),
Badfisher 11' SUP, Ocean Rodeo JT Pro 138cm
Landyachtz DH Race (Bear 852 Trucks), MBS Comp 95X
RB Swindler, Skorpion Skates
Sysmic S2 Dune Midi XL Buggy
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southpadreburt
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Replace Bearings?
fast_monte, you probably can punch out the bearings in the wheel and replace with a 12mm bearing.
Prism Micron
Rev B Series Standard,Vented,Full Vented
Rev PowerBlast 2-4
Rush 3 Pro
Ozone Access 4, 6, 8,10
Ozone Summit 8, 10
Ozone Frenzy 13m Ultralite
Cabrinha 7, 9, 13 Xbow
Cabrinha 11 Switchblade
2 PL BigFoot Buggies
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abkayak
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Very happy to have just scored 4 of those 10" tires from harbor freight for free in Pops garage it pays to help out around the parents house...Dad is
an impulse buyer..he goes to that store and just buys things because its cheap w/out ever having a use for it...someday I will inherit a full tool
chest worth like 75$
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Twister/ 6.6m Blade/ 7.5 Apex/ 9m Fuel/ Phantom I 9,12,15,18/ 2 Flexibugs/ PL Big Foot/ landboards
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I bought one of the 10" Harbor Freight tires, they are on sale for $5.99. I compared them to the 9" tires that came on my MBS Comp 95X and have
decided there was not enough of a difference to go through all the hassle to change them out. I live less than a mile away from the store, so I will
be returning the wheel. If I had the 8" wheels I would upgrade.
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| Quote: Originally posted by southpadreburt | | Core 94 is a 12mm axle. Used the new hubs that came on the board for the bigger tires. Just changed tubes and tires. The new 10 inch tires are
probably not very good for high speed as they may be a little out of balance but should be good for this old man on the sand. I am a kiteboarder/buggy
pilot just getting into ATB riding. |
did you have to come up w/ a 10" tube and a 90d offset on the valves???
US-31...Cquad set/ 2.5 Bullet/ 2.6 Viper/ 2.9m Reactor/ 2- 3.5m Bullet/ 3.6 Beamer/ 4m Buster/ 4m Toxic/ 4m Ikon dp/ 4.5 Bullet/ 4.9m Blade/ 5.6
Twister/ 6.6m Blade/ 7.5 Apex/ 9m Fuel/ Phantom I 9,12,15,18/ 2 Flexibugs/ PL Big Foot/ landboards
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