Another company coming out with a single skin..:D

https://youtu.be/irT5quPTGVs

Long live single skins!

Hi,

My name is Bryan and I am the designer of Monjet Kiteboarding.
You can follow us here: www.facebook.com/monjetkiteboarding
The website will be soon online.
If you have any questions about the design, please feel free to ask anything

Best regards,

Bryan

Welcome Bryan,

I've been following your work on FB and other forums. I really like what you've done thus far and am looking forward to seeing where you go with this. I think single skins are a way to bring more people into kiting and kiting into more places and I'm glad to see others working on this.

Welcome Bryan,

Please keep us in the loop. Lots of folks on this forum are interested in the single skins.

Thanks,
Our website is now online http://www.monjetkiteboarding.com/

Very cool...would love to see a water relaunch vid if you could

"Remember going to the beach for a kite session, but the wind was to low?

We share this frustration so we have found a solution. Just a normal sized kite with lots of power.

A hybrid single skin kite with depower, which is also water relaunchable.."


The kite looks very, very nice but...


If it can do a water re-launch, Why does marketing video not include water re-launch when that's a stand out feature?

Anyone..?

Yes please!!!

A comparison to the only other known similar kite. Peak 2 9m is 7.6 projected area and 4.2 ar

This kite is 7.85 projected area and 4.8 ar

Just by appearances, it looks like a special kite and I wish it success. Hopefully one will land stateside soon. Steve?

In search of...ssayre
Pbly won't be able to sleep tonight

:D

Interesting how the wing tips flare back (out?), and looks like lots of bridle near the tips as well... Anybody know why ( aerodynamically speaking)?

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Hopefully one will land stateside soon. Steve?

Hey, I resemble that remark! Truth be told the kite I really want next is a 9m Ozone Frenzy V10 with Re-Ride. Re-Ride is da bomb for Snowkiting.

Truth be told I feel a little scalded after pulling the trigger on two V-1.0 single skins last year. They will remain unnamed in this post, but those that know the evolution of my quiver likely know what kites I am referring to.

Doesn't mean I don't have the Monjet site bookmarked! :P

Nice work Bryan!

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@Colin Interesting how the wing tips flare back (out?), and looks like lots of bridle near the tips as well... Anybody know why ( aerodynamically speaking)?

I think the tips maybe "winglets" check out most commercial plane wings, they have been around for a long time and seem to be coming back, something to do with minimising upper/lower wind turbulance and increasing efficiency.

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@ ssayre A comparison to the only other known similar kite. Peak 2 9m is 7.6 projected area and 4.2 ar

I'm a little bit unsure how they calculated those figures, here's the Peak at a stated 4.2AR:


Here is my 5m, AR 4.3 at a projected area 4.13m and AR 3.12:

very different shapes, I think the Peaks' AR is a bit over estimated.

@BigE, the peak you have pictured is a peak 1 9m. A beautiful kite and one I own :D , but the specs I gave were for a peak 2 which is different.

The Peak 1 you have pictured has a projected area of 8.1 and a 4 ar. Or at least according to Flysurfer.

The wingtip flare on NINOX and it's profile looked familiar to me. It looks a lot like the profile of the FS sonic. Only based on video. I've not seen either in person obviously.

:D oops what a difference .2 makes!

Still like these colours!

For perspective in terms of new Peak ar and old. Here's the 4m Peak 2 laying on the 6m Peak 1. Considerable difference in AR when you have a kite 4m smaller but with the same wingspan.

Anyone see this on Facebook page?....





Rough detail, but I'm thinking...Full length nylon rods...?.

If it's water re-launchable.....that is how I can conceive it working. If so, I think I get it.

Still want to see it re-launch on water...as do all.


Well bigE123....ready to make a kite will full length nylon rod stiffeners?:P

If its using nylon rods we'll see how prone they are to splintering or popping out the LE or TE when the kite is slammed into the ground either nose first in a crash or tail first in an aggressive landing.

Nylon rods/strips ,
i am sure something similar has been done before.
come on E spill the beans !!!
your ideas are well ahead of the game.

:D :D and another to come soon! Tbh the water re-launch is a big ask for a single skin, for me full length rods are not the answer (just my opinion), not strong enough and the kite LE falls forward when on the ground and is a pain to launch, so to get more strength you're not going to be using nylon and as said above issues with breaking rods or rods pushing through the material on a nose dive. I really do hope Bryan does well with his designs as they do look the business.
I'm a purist with an eye on land only so the less rods / spars the better, I only use them for nose/LE support which does not impact on the kite on the ground and makes a big difference in the air.
Big jump in AR for my current build with an added extra to test out ;-)

The nylon rod stiffeners along the leading edge are an interesting concept. I assume they have two primary purposes, both giving the kite's leading edge structure in the air and buoyancy in the water. It appears that these rods are replaceable. Here is a quote from their product page:

"The leading edge will always remain stiff through the nylon rods inserted between every cell."

Just eyeballing the kite there appear to be about 30-35 cells, so I guess that would mean an equal number of short nylon rods. Many short unconnected rods would probably withstand hard nose-first crash landings on land far better than long rods going the length of the kite. A brief write up can be seen here: Ninox

I'm as curious as the rest to see video of a water relaunch of the Ninox. I suppose it is possible to water launch a Peak but I bet the conditions have to be near perfect. Here is the closest thing I found:



My quiver is bursting and I have no intention of giving up my Peak-2s so somebody else stateside is going to have to be the early adopter once this bad-boy hits the market.

Quote: Originally posted by Windstruck

The nylon rod stiffeners along the leading edge are an interesting concept. I assume they have two primary purposes, both giving the kite's leading edge structure in the air and buoyancy in the water. It appears that these rods are replaceable. Here is a quote from their product page: "The leading edge will always remain stiff through the nylon rods inserted between every cell."

I think there is only one primary purpose: to get a smooth stable LE even if the wind drops, seeing that video shows a bonus side, when the kite is laid down the LE is sticking up giving the wind something to catch. As for the rods I'm sure they are simple garden strimmer line.

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I think there is only one primary purpose: to get a smooth stable LE even if the wind drops, seeing that video shows a bonus side, when the kite is laid down the LE is sticking up giving the wind something to catch. As for the rods I'm sure they are simple garden strimmer line.

You are certainly in a far better position to speculate than me about this and I bet you are right. Having put a far amount of time in with the Peak-2s on land and snow, I could see some advantages to making the leading edge a little bit more structured. As you noted, having the LE protrude upward would be pretty slick for getting the kite off the ground, particularly in light wind conditions. Second, the dreaded "tip tuck" that can plague the Peaks might be eliminated with this additional structure.

Bottom line, excellent news that Monjet continues to progress the concept of single skin DP kites! Should it have any modicum of success commercially it might spur on the designers at Flysurfer to create an even better Peak-3.

I'm with bigE on this. I'm guessing they are similar monofilament like used on peak. Any other type of rods would be ball ache for pack up.

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Second, the dreaded "tip tuck" that can plague the Peaks might be eliminated with this additional structure.

Ah the dreaded tip-tuck... I don't think is related to the nose supports, from what I've seen of the Peak 1 the supports are fine for the nose, it's more of a bridle issue.

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Quote: Originally posted by Windstruck   Second, the dreaded "tip tuck" that can plague the Peaks might be eliminated with this additional structure. Ah the dreaded tip-tuck... I don't think is related to the nose supports, from what I've seen of the Peak 1 the supports are fine for the nose, it's more of a bridle issue.

Peak 1's didn't suffer from tip tuck that I'm aware of. I have theorized that the tip tuck on the 2's were a side effect of the higher ar and being rushed to production as the 1's were only out 1 year prior. ONLY BASED ON A THEORY in my simple mind

I've been keeping track of the Monjet Ninox. It's not quite ready for prime time, but appears to be getting closer. I was on their product page just now:

Monjet Ninox

In a table towards the bottom I saw something interesting I hadn't noticed before (or it's new), viz., a notation of the number of "floaty" cells (3). I didn't see any immediate detail beyond this, but a few "floaty" cells could certainly explain their claim of a water relaunch-able single skin design. Taking another look at their video I can see three cells that look darker and more substantial than the rest (center and about six cells or so from each end). I suspect these are the floaty ones.

I know there are videos on the web of water launching Peaks but I for one wouldn't dip a Peak in the drink and expect it to rise again.