A local gave me this old seat. Keeping it around for reference. Future reference. You all realize if PL stops producing buggys, and Buggy Bags(UK) gets out of the game, and Libre stuff becomes unobtainable.... we'll have to make our own seats(and buggy's!).

Is anyone in the market for a new kite these days? Beamer or Hornet. Take your pick. Go have a look at what's available these days for buggy handle kites.

Regarding the Beamer/Hornet; they are both good and each will run 30mph+ in the buggy. When Ozone got out of the land kite game; whatever made the Flow such a good kite must have found its way into these two kites because the current versions are really excellent. If you all write off the Beamer/Hornet because you flew older models; well those versions aren't these versions.

I flew the previous model Hornet and Beamer IV and V and an even older version plus the most recent models.

Much of what you mentioned is inevitable. The market is predominately unsustainable. You'll probably see the buggies go first with buggy bags right behind. Not many, if any buyers for land kiting which is why there is nothing out there. Who's left other than Pansh? I did notice that Ozone has some open cell versions of their kites which is nice but I don't think you'll ever see fixed bridle again. Sad to us who enjoy it but you can't run a business selling products that have no consumers. Too many structural problems and there aren't a lot of people who will continue to do an activity that they can only partake in once or twice a year if they're lucky.

This thought process is bringing me down
I need to think happy thoughts of Wildwood in a few weeks:wee:

BTW you need to sew yourself a new seat. That things worn out (from other thread)! Time for you to show us some of your sewing prowess

I made a couple seats. The work involved and the end quality made seat prices seem worth it and not too expensive.

I'll take it up again at some point.

This seat for example; looks fairly simple. It's not at all though. They used panels of material to give the seat a 3D effect. So it's not just a simple flat seat. And the layers of webbing and material are too thick to get in my machines 1/4" of foot lift. I've done repairs to this style seat many times to keep it going for a local.

This is my second seat. My first one was even more basic and I don't even know where it's at right now. The PVC buggy was an attempt at making low cost tandem buggy's. If anyone wants to build one; just go schedule 80 all the way. And don't ride it in the cold. I did once. The down tube where it junctions with the seat catastrophically shattered without warning at speed. I went from 20mph to 0mph instantly. My tailbone felt it and I was lucky I didn't break it. That was when it was all schedule 40. I've repaired it about 5 different times. Now it's got some schedule 80 in it and it's holding up to me riding it around.

Very nice job on the seat.
Your a braver man than I though regarding the pvc buggy. Very creative though, looks like it came out nice.

The PVC buggy is a cool idea. I've thought about some sort of "micro buggy" that would be well suited to parking lots or other small areas, but never come up with anything that seemed very promising. Hard to beat ATB or skateboards for those kinds of places. But this is getting me thinking again......

the pvc bug may be the scariest thing I've ever seen...
all props...any thing to bug for sure and certainly no offence intended
someone please post the shopping cart bug video

Scarier than this?



Or this?

I still got 2 PL web seats brand new never used
that I would let go to anybody who wants,needs them cheap
I have no use for them

This is the scariest one of all - because I probably have all the stuff I need to make one.....Top speed is 7 m/s (<16 mph) - wonder how that works - what's going to stop it from going faster? It seems like it would be pretty easy to get an OBE.....

Quote: Originally posted by abkayak

the pvc bug may be the scariest thing I've ever seen... all props...any thing to bug for sure and certainly no offence intended someone please post the shopping cart bug video

Quote: Originally posted by rtz

I made a couple seats. The work involved and the end quality made seat prices seem worth it and not too expensive. ...

Exactly. Design is hard, executing a design requires skill and specialized tools, and good materials are not cheap. That's why good products are worth paying for.

Thank you all for the many illustrations of how easy it is to design and build a frighteningly bad kite buggy. Design is hard. Good judgment is often wrought from a long series of bad designs.

Great vids, Randy! I'm digging out my daughter's old skis and stealing a shopping cart right now...

Nothing wrong with scratch building, just need to get it somewhat right. First buggy I had was home made, had a buddy that could weld patch it together for me, only mistakes were that the seat was not deep enough, rode more like a standard PL, and I used wheelbarrow rims, so I was changing the bearings every 2 months, Rode it hard for a year then gave it away when I got a better buggy.

Look at PTW's first buggy, he's making some sweet stuff now days.