So what's the scoop on Peter Lynn Arcs? Are they really a pain to set up and launch by yourself?

I've never have had the chance to fly one. Any recommendations for winds above 12 mph?

16m or 13m Venom II?

I weigh 160 lbs and would be using it with the mountainboard, Dirtsurfer and skis.

Thanks!

Joe

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While the 13m Venom is a sweet kite, I'd go with the 16m, these things really have wild top ends, I've buggied with the 13m Venom in 35mph winds no problem, but I needed 15mph to get going ok.

Lately I've been flying the 16m Scorpion which is on par for power with the 19m Venom and the 18m Phantom. I can get going on the buggy in about 10mph, ATB by 12mph, and on water in 14mph.

I've flown on blacktop with the atb and the 16m Scorp in 30mph winds without that much problems, low end is where they really die, if it's under 10mph I may as well leave the Scorpion in the bag.

Setup is easy, there's a couple low wind tricks like an electric leaf blower for pre inflation, but if you have proper wind, setup is easy, within 5 min, self launch and landing is easy and safe. It does take a bit to get the proper launch method figured out though, they like a little rear line tension on launch otherwise they'll shoot forward and the tips will clap. Feed in a little rear line tension and it'll keep the kite flaired out nice and wide as the kite finishes filling and climbing, once up they're bomb proof. I've flipped my buggy over and tied the kite to it for 1/2 hr while having lunch.

Ditto on the arcs, i had the 18m phantom out on the water to gust of 28 and the 15m phantom to gust of 38. The 13m is a great kite!These kites thrive on apprient wind. The more you edge againt the kite, faster you will go............aj

Thanks for the info guys! I may just try one this winter

One of the guys I kite ski with has used nothing but venoms for the past 2 years (he is also on the water). I would guess him to be around 160 pounds and his favorite and most used kite is the 13m. It has an enormous range and while I would cycle between my 2.5, 4 and 5.5m kites he never switched. Didn't matter the conditions, he just set up and launched and flew all day. It was a super stable kite but he suffered on the low end range for sure.

But, as advertised, it was a gust muncher. Though it did take him much longer to set up than I and I never saw him pack up. The auto zenith feature was real nice. At lunch he'd just attach the chicken loop to the ice screw and the kite would sit at the top of the window while he ate.

Nice kite from what I observed.

Hey DaVinch:

they will seem a bit awkward at first coming from bridled foils....be patient, you'll get the hang of it soon.

they are well built but not very aerodynamic or efficient... the projected area is ~2/3 of the actual kite size, so look at the PA when choosing your kite size.

relaunch is a process and a procedure.... nothing like the reverse launches of your Flysurfers or other quad foils...

safety is good... but again relaunch is annoying.

turning is uber fast with good power thru the turns.

bar pressure is high... like putting your FS on hard steering with a short bar.

depower is excellent.... gust absorbing is the best of any kite i've seen or flown.

i would say stick to the high aspect ARCs... lower AR are not as much fun.

BALUK is selling a 12m Phantom at a great price. bar and lines included... that would be the best way to get started with ARCs... the Phantom is awesome.

send him a U2U asap before its gone !!

Set-up is indeed different as noted, but they come with a video which couldn't be clearer. Pack up is so much easier than open-cell kites. fold in half with tips together and roll-up downwind towards the open zippered deflation vent. Easy even in high winds.

Love my Scorpion 10m but should have gotten larger now that I appreciate the adjustability and huge wind range. wonderfull buggy engine starting at 12 mph.

These are some of the easiest kites and most stable kites in the world! They really are extremely easy to launch and land by yourself as well, as soon as you get used to it (which shouldn't take long) Especially now the newer ones have the launch assist tag thing.

I used arcs for a long time, and they are fantastic, i think they peaked with the venom II... i'm wondering what peter lynn are gonna do next, they really aren't very good at selling their kites over here! Had a go on a scorpion but i hear they need pretty delicate tuning so i can't really comment on that one much, apparently it's a good jumper though!

Really good kites though, especially in the smaller sizes. The 10m is always my fav, 13m close second if you weigh a bit more... They give you a massive amount of confidence though with their stability...

I've never crashed a peter lynn! You definitely start to outgrow them though and feel their lack of performance after you've been on them for a while and tried other kites in similar wind... still though, a great skill builder to lead you to something else!

The thing that still amazes me is the top end of these kites, With the 16m Scorpion, it's got adjusters to vary the bar pressure as well as to adjust the turn speed and power output. Had a great session with it down in Seaside for SOBB. With it set a little mellower I was ripping it up with my 16 on the ATB and Buggy while everyone else was on 1.5m up to 3m foils. Average guy was switching kites every 1/2 hr, the 16 stayed airbourn all day. Didn't have a chance to check out the top speed in the buggy, but she's easily quick enough to generate some huge pop and float. It was so nice to pop a little 5ft up jump and fly 30+ feet across. Go a bit bigger than you think, you'd be suprised what you can hold onto with these things.

Once again, Low wind absolutely bites with the ARCs.

Thanks for the help guys! I pretty much setteled on a Venom II.

So what size would be similar to a 6 - 7m depowerable foil? A 13m?

A 13m would probably be good, maybe a hare more power, but you can get away with a larger ARC, better float as well, you'll love the top end.

Thanks Pablo - I have my low end covered with the Silverarrow, so I think the 13m sounds good also after looking at this calculator:

http://www.kite-fantastic.co.uk/articles/mx5alan/arc-wind-ra...

Pablo - how much do you weigh?

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Originally posted by Pablo While the 13m Venom is a sweet kite, I'd go with the 16m, these things really have wild top ends, I've buggied with the 13m Venom in 35mph winds no problem, but I needed 15mph to get going ok. Lately I've been flying the 16m Scorpion which is on par for power with the 19m Venom and the 18m Phantom. I can get going on the buggy in about 10mph, ATB by 12mph, and on water in 14mph. I've flown on blacktop with the atb and the 16m Scorp in 30mph winds without that much problems, low end is where they really die, if it's under 10mph I may as well leave the Scorpion in the bag. Setup is easy, there's a couple low wind tricks like an electric leaf blower for pre inflation, but if you have proper wind, setup is easy, within 5 min, self launch and landing is easy and safe. It does take a bit to get the proper launch method figured out though, they like a little rear line tension on launch otherwise they'll shoot forward and the tips will clap. Feed in a little rear line tension and it'll keep the kite flaired out nice and wide as the kite finishes filling and climbing, once up they're bomb proof. I've flipped my buggy over and tied the kite to it for 1/2 hr while having lunch.

It will be interesting to see if future models of the ARC 'fix' the bottom end issue or if the ARC design has already reached its max. potential.

DaVinch - Definitely try an ARC...they are great kites. And in my opinion the 13 is the way to go!

Thanks Lunchbox - I'm trying to figure out if a 13m or 16m would be better for land. Sounds like the 13m may be better for my weight...

PL has a couple tricks up their sleeve, I think they're working on something new, The Scorpion came out light years ahead of the Phantom for a land based Arc, sounds like they're up to the same with the Venom replacement.

Yeah DaVinch, you really won't save that much on the bottom end with the 16 and you'll gain quite a bit more on the top end...Plus it's a quicker turning kite so you might be able to use it at the same bottom end...just have to work the kite more...

BTW, if you end up getting one, let me know,,,I've got a few tips for launching that seem to work pretty well.

Whatcha hear Pablo...anything worth sharing on that Venom replacement

Off topic here also, but it will be interesting to see what Ozone can add to the mix when they release the Vision!

Go for the 13! I mean, i'm not very heavy, but i could get going on a landboard with the 13 in about 8mph and it felt great... and i could fly it up around 30mph on my landboard too they have a great windrange on land... not so much on water. I had a 16 for a little while and they still have a great top end but it was definitely overdoing it for me a bit sometimes! I felt like i could take anything with the 13!!

Oh... i would look into trying to get an older bar as well, the zero 7 bar is crappy... or at least try and adjust is, i really didn't like the move of the safety to the rear lines, even if it does stop the tangling problem...

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Originally posted by lunchbox Whatcha hear Pablo...anything worth sharing on that Venom replacement Off topic here also, but it will be interesting to see what Ozone can add to the mix when they release the Vision!

I'm told it's on the way and worth the wait by reliable sources, I don't have more than that to throw in the pot at this point.

But PL has quite a few pattens out on a variety of ideas that they've been messing around with, Something about Naish having to make a deal with them for the Helix design.

I've seen how far ahead the Scorpion is from the old Phantom, Personally I think once you get the Scorpion figured out it'll beat the Venom on the water as well. One thing is for sure, PL isn't looking to put out a kite that's just a little better than the Venom series.

Do you reckon that ozone vision is ever actually gonna come out?!

Very interested to see whatever peter lynn come up with next! What's this about the helix design??

Well...I'm going for the 13m Venom II! I appreciate all the help - I'll let you know how the first flight goes. I plan on watching that instructional video a bunch before I go out

As said above, only 2 things to really worry bout on the launch, pre-inflation, and rear line tension.

If it's pre-inflated to 80+percent it'll usually go up no problem.

Rear line tension, once the kite's off the ground it'll want to shoot forwards, if this happens without enough air in the kite the tips tend to clap, putting some tension on the rear lines will slow the kite down and prevent the clapping, takes a couple tries to get enough tension to prevent the clapping and not enough to stall the kite, should figure it out after a couple tries. Get it right and you'll never blow another launch.

Good deal - I think I'm ready.

Well...no Venoms in stock and with all this chatter about a new kite from PL coming out around Dec, I think I'll wait to see what the new kite has to offer

Hey DaVinch...had a friend that was looking for a Venom II and had the same problem...none in stock.

Heard the new Venom II replacement is called the synergy (sp) and I also heard the delivery date was mid 2 late December.

Anyone on this forum got some pics or more information on this kite...can't wait to hear/see and eventually fly it.

Hummm i really wanna know whats going on with thiss synergy, it's all so secretive! Its meant to be released very soon and yet we've heard nothing at all about it!

Yeah Dom,,,know what you mean...surprised we haven't heard anything yet especially since delivery is mid Dec?? I posted the question on racekites.com so we'll see if anyone has heard anything over there.

Off topic here but we're having a low tide (0) tomorrow...Did you ever find a good landboarding beach out here that blew onshore the majority of the time and didn't have kiting restrictions?

I've been on venice beach before, so long as there's no one around it's good... probably is, it's saturday and i'm sure lots of people will be walking their dogs around! You could go down to seal beach though, i'm sure you could get away with it there and get some pretty good riding in! I really think it's worth trying to hit the water though if you're living in LA!

I used to drive past the goodyear blimp field ALL the time as well and think, i wonder if they'd let me kite on there if i asked... i never asked, you should try though! Would be a good spot!