Here is a direct cadkat link with some plain compaired to our old polished custom wheels, but looks beefy like the old Kurt Anderson custom wheels and would not crack out and break.

http://www.cadkat.com/EuroTrax_balloon_wheel_-_21x12-8_smoot...

They are spendy though for sure, but I am sure they are worth it for what they can do for you:singing:.

Big John
JoJo1

299 euro! :wow: for 1? did I read that right? :o

That is a bit steep - the Nankang Slicks for all their problems are the same exact size and ply for $40 - $45 each. I would have to imagine that half the price is for the rims.

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Originally posted by archkiter 299 euro! :wow: for 1? did I read that right? :o

yes you did read that right, but here is the deal regular cadkats will cost about 2/3 of that price on a plastic rim these cost more, but are on a stainless wheel and since those of us that have either brocken or have hairline cracks in our custom aluminum jobs these fit in. For the guy that wants a little bling to his buggy.

Cadkats are not the same size tire or rim as bigfootlights these tires are a lot wider and require a different bigfoot fork that is wider than the fork that holds the moonlight. cadkat wheels are red in the plastic version not balck you can't fit a cadkat tire on one of the normal black wheels.

The nanking tires are not any where near as quality made a tire as these are either.
Not cheap, but well worth the price I am sure of that.

Now just have to get my machinist buddy that is now a buggy dude to start workin up a buggy for the wheels

Big John
JoJo1

They have crazy expensive shipping as well! I was going to order cad inner hubs but they wanted 80$ shipping for a 20$ part that was under 2 pounds... Just for curiosity I checked the price on shipping for 1 ... 250 euro shipping to Canada. 370 usd... 549 Euro total.... I think I'll hold off until the gold plating is finished

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Originally posted by kitedemon They have crazy expensive shipping as well! I was going to order cad inner hubs but they wanted 80$ shipping for a 20$ part that was under 2 pounds... Just for curiosity I checked the price on shipping for 1 ... 250 euro shipping to Canada. 370 usd... 549 Euro total.... I think I'll hold off until the gold plating is finished

Yes, like I said they are exspensive and probably not for the weekend warrior:duh:, but for me and others you get what you pay for and these are a well built wheel and tire. I can remember paying something like 400.00 for just my custom aluminum wheels that would not even fit cad kat tire let alone stand up to the abuse we put the wheels under. I didn't expect the masses to like or even want to purchase these wheels and tires I put it out there for those of us at the top of the sport than do have a need for a tire and wheel package such as these.

I forgot to mention the fact that I am sure we could get the shipping charge down and maybe even the price per wheel and tire down if we put together a group order as we have done with other items in the past pool our order for one massive order and then pass out the order at our next event we have done this in the past and each person saved almost half by the time it was done.

Big John
JoJo1

If you want big tyres then look no further than the new Beach Racer Tryes, specifically made for kite buggying.......and perfectly round, unlike some others, they are also moulded with the grooves already in

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Originally posted by popeyethewelder If you want big tyres then look no further than the new Beach Racer Tryes, specifically made for kite buggying.......and perfectly round, unlike some others, they are also moulded with the grooves already in

I saw those popeye and they look good, but I like the stainless wheel a little bit better and I think we can static balance those a bit easier. I am thinking back to our aluminum custom wheels we used to use and static balance on those were a lot easier to do than a plastic wheel. Plus I don't like have two different height tires on the a buggy I like to keep them all the same and it appears that you are running two like tires on the back and a different size on the front.

Big John
JoJo1

Damn. I just want to stay under $200 for a set of wheels and rubber ... lol.

JoJo1,
Sorry but I have a hard time believing that 2400 usd for 3 wheels and rims will increase your speed that much. Ceramic race bearings would cost less (about half or so) and make a a bigger difference. I also have a huge problem with getting ripped off for shipping 1200 USD for shipping? I could fly to Germany and come home with them for less. If you are going to order a set hell I'll fly to Germany pick them up and then courier them from me to you for that. I mean it is as much plus a bit for a Libre protask with BF's. I know my BF's (AS) were only 100$ to ship from England. Sorry I don't mean to insult but the cost of the wheels I can handle add 2 or 3 hundred for shipping ok but over a grand for shipping? If I was seriously thinking of it I'd ask someone here to pick them up (for a fee) and send them to me direct and likely walk away saving 500+ bucks.

Carl do you have a link for a source of the Beach Racer Tryes ? I'd like to check it out.
Thanks
Alex

The difference with these tires compared to regular barrows is huge when it comes to slightly damp sand - packed sand not that much - low cut grass not really any difference except for a spongier ride (instant shocks) there is an added weight factor which does help with stabilizing on the packed sand but this can be accomplished in other ways that don't require you to take out a second or third on your mortgage. As for the Quality of the Nankangs it is a crapshoot when you order them to as what you are going to get - but with some patience I was able to get a set of three good quality tires out of the five that I had to go through. The time it takes to do this would relegate the time it takes to ship from overseas (minus the cost). I'm in the same boat as a lot of people on this forum - I love to kite -love it, love it, love it, but that love has a line that my wallet is not willing to cross. I do spend probably too much on this stuff already (looking at a set of 10 sealed bearings through vmx for around $80 shipped right now), but I have to draw a line every once in a while and find another way. (I need to win the lottery)

flexiblade
just to hyjack for a second 80 for ten seems a bit much I think I got my last set for 6 CAD each. I don't think they carried VMX but SKF were you looking for stainless steel the ones? they are more like 12 each... U2U me if I can help. I have to go get a set soon anyway I'll price the ones you want and shipping.

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Originally posted by kitedemon JoJo1, Sorry but I have a hard time believing that 2400 usd for 3 wheels and rims will increase your speed that much. Ceramic race bearings would cost less (about half or so) and make a a bigger difference. I also have a huge problem with getting ripped off for shipping 1200 USD for shipping? I could fly to Germany and come home with them for less. If you are going to order a set hell I'll fly to Germany pick them up and then courier them from me to you for that. I mean it is as much plus a bit for a Libre protask with BF's. I know my BF's (AS) were only 100$ to ship from England. Sorry I don't mean to insult but the cost of the wheels I can handle add 2 or 3 hundred for shipping ok but over a grand for shipping? If I was seriously thinking of it I'd ask someone here to pick them up (for a fee) and send them to me direct and likely walk away saving 500+ bucks. Carl do you have a link for a source of the Beach Racer Tryes ? I'd like to check it out. Thanks Alex

I wouldn't expect a guy who drives a peter lynn buggy to understand.

1.) LIKE I said these were not put out for the WEEKEND WARRIOR so they are not for you and that is fine, but to come poke at the thread twice is BS dude you don't like price then fine don't buy and get over it.

2.) Just because you see a printed price doesn't mean that is what you will pay. I have never payed retail for a big purchae in my life and I will not be payin full retail for some wheels and tires.

3.) Get a big enough order and I will be able to work on the price of shipping as well. With a few different options and the best having a buddy over there pick wheels up and dropship on a container to me.

Big John
JoJO1

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I wouldn't expect a guy who drives a peter lynn buggy to understand.

Was this statement really necessary? Why would you be so rude jojo? You did your post, he did his. Your tires are ridiculously priced, get over it. You want them, you buy them. Dont get mad because someone else is commenting on the obvious.

We all like to kite, we all have fun doing it, we all have our own budget and preferences.

Personal attacks are unwelcome and unecessary here.

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Originally posted by JoJo1 I wouldn't expect a guy who drives a peter lynn buggy to understand. Big John JoJO1

Dang Big John, I like others have a hard time finding a way to justify $2400 for any combo of tires and wheels alone even if I lived on a beach and buggied 6-8 hours a day. And these are welded stainless wheels. Nothing exotic. It's not that we can't envision nice wheels being important if you buggy enough to have very discriminating tastes, it's that we can't imagine being so discriminating that wheels and tires could be worth that much money. Maybe you didn't mean it the way it came across but it really sounded like you were putting a fellow kiter down because he doesn't have a buggy on your "approved" list. Advice is great but we don't need any weeding out of posters here and there aren't any unwashed masses. We are who we are and that's ok with all of us.

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Originally posted by BeamerBob Quote: Originally posted by JoJo1 I wouldn't expect a guy who drives a peter lynn buggy to understand. Big John JoJO1 Dang Big John, I like others have a hard time finding a way to justify $2400 for any combo of tires and wheels alone even if I lived on a beach and buggied 6-8 hours a day. And these are welded stainless wheels. Nothing exotic. It's not that we can't envision nice wheels being important if you buggy enough to have very discriminating tastes, it's that we can't imagine being so discriminating that wheels and tires could be worth that much money. Maybe you didn't mean it the way it came across but it really sounded like you were putting a fellow kiter down because he doesn't have a buggy on your "approved" list. Advice is great but we don't need any weeding out of posters here and there aren't any unwashed masses. We are who we are and that's ok with all of us.

I figured you would be along here soon Beamer .

I am not trying to poke at what a guy CAN or CAN'T afford I am not that way, but when I post a thread and someone starts hammering at me for what I can or can't afford and takes my post OFF TOPIC then yes I will poke back .

I will know the next time I find something new to just send it direct to the few guys here in the states that care and my euro buddies.

Big John
JoJo1

I had a nice ride in my Peter Lynn bug yesterday. And I don't have have to over-compensate for a short down-tube or anything

I bought a set of Eurotrax slicks from Germany.

They have a larger diameter than my Duros and Nankangs.
In fact they are 50mm larger in diameter.
Pics:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/Sand-Yeti/Eurotrax03....

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/Sand-Yeti/Eurotrax07....

They were also cheaper than Duros from Buggywielen (Holland).

The killer for me was indeed the airfreight charges to the UAE but there wasn't that much difference in those charges compared to Buggywielen.

I had a good service & delivery from Cadkat Germany and if you work with them, I'm sure they can help find ways to reduce freight charges.

I have run these slicks only a few hundred kms but am well pleased with them so far.

Buggywielen sells Eurotrax for 159.00 Euro ... whats the difference from the ones from Cadkat?

Jojo1, does adding grooves make a difference?

i'm looking at Big Tires right now for my ApeXX, cant decide if i should go BF Cad or these Eurotrax.

thanks in advance. :bisou:

Eurotrax are made by Cadkat. They are a bit bigger than the duro which can lead to clearance problems on some buggies.

The new Eurotrax has grooves in the mold so you don`t have to find someone to cut them for you (or you cut them yourself) In Germany we pay around 2€ per groove. and at 11-14 groove per wheel it gets pretty spendy quickly. The new Eurotrax are also rated for 80 Kmh.

If I were to buy new wheels today I would buy the Cadkat Plastic(Red or Black)(my set of Red cadkat Rims is aprox 3 years old and never had a problem) with the new pregrooved Eurotrax.

If you need help with shipping from Germany let me know, maybe I can help.

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Originally posted by acampbell I had a nice ride in my Peter Lynn bug yesterday. And I don't have have to over-compensate for a short down-tube or anything

Now that's funny!

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Originally posted by JoJo1 I am not trying to poke at what a guy CAN or CAN'T afford I am not that way, but when I post a thread and someone starts hammering at me for what I can or can't afford and takes my post OFF TOPIC then yes I will poke back . I will know the next time I find something new to just send it direct to the few guys here in the states that care and my euro buddies. Big John JoJo1

I didn't gather that anyone was inferring what you can or can't afford, it seemed that people were wondering how much better those tires and wheels could be for the exorbitant money. If we don't get it, then help us understand. That's what this forum is all about. If someone doesn't act or perform in a certain way, it's because they don't know the difference or they don't care. I think the bulk of us here don't understand what you get that is so much better for the money on the wheels and tires you are excited about. If you are more comfortable looking down from somewhere above all the rest of us then I guess we won't get it. If you want to correct the problem you see here about "know it alls" spewing inaccurate information then add your knowledge and experiences without the attitude and then we all win.

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Originally posted by ripsessionkites Buggywielen sells Eurotrax for 159.00 Euro ... whats the difference from the ones from Cadkat? Jojo1, does adding grooves make a difference? i'm looking at Big Tires right now for my ApeXX, cant decide if i should go BF Cad or these Eurotrax. thanks in advance. :bisou:

Yes the groves will make a difference in the amount of kite you can load the sidewall up with. In other words allow you more sideload before you slide downwind.

Big John

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Originally posted by BeamerBob Quote: Originally posted by JoJo1 I am not trying to poke at what a guy CAN or CAN'T afford I am not that way, but when I post a thread and someone starts hammering at me for what I can or can't afford and takes my post OFF TOPIC then yes I will poke back . I will know the next time I find something new to just send it direct to the few guys here in the states that care and my euro buddies. Big John JoJo1 I didn't gather that anyone was inferring what you can or can't afford, it seemed that people were wondering how much better those tires and wheels could be for the exorbitant money. If we don't get it, then help us understand. That's what this forum is all about. If someone doesn't act or perform in a certain way, it's because they don't know the difference or they don't care. I think the bulk of us here don't understand what you get that is so much better for the money on the wheels and tires you are excited about. If you are more comfortable looking down from somewhere above all the rest of us then I guess we won't get it. If you want to correct the problem you see here about "know it alls" spewing inaccurate information then add your knowledge and experiences without the attitude and then we all win.

No, it seemed as though folks that didn't even have a buggy that could use these tires, because there would be absolutely no way for them to fit wanted to talk trash. A guy with a peter lynn buggy could in no way put a set of these tires on here furthermore why would he spend more $ on tires and wheels then he does on a buggy doesn't make much since to me, but they still wanted to poke and couoldn't even do a simple math conversion to come up with what they cost if the first place.

Just like YOU why do you even care YOU just bought a FLEXI buggy which is another buggy the wheels and tires would not fit on and even if you were able to fit them you would just be breaking your buggy left and right, because those buggies are not built to withstand the stresses that big of a tire would put on the buggy.

You say drop the attitude Beamer, well it is a bit hard when you ask a question filled with sarcasm. I hear from kiters almost on a daily basis of your attacks on them and quite frankly I wont put up with it dude especially from someone who has never been to a major kite fest and is what I consider a newby.

Big John

I guess what I'm trying to get out of you is a benefit of the wheels and tires. Believe it or not, I didn't even envision having a buggy a year ago. My flexi might be as nice as I ever get, but alas, I might upgrade again and again. Those on here with a PL buggy might upgrade as well. We all learn from those of you that have been at this for awhile. If you can't explain the value of the tires and wheels then so be it. Someone recently said "If I get to the point where I can't learn anything else about this or improve in some way, I'll find another hobby". I and many others here, could in the future, be in a situation where they want what experts consider the best. I wouldn't buy blindly, but rather would go on the advice of someone that can give their opinion and some reasons that allowed them to develop it. So far, the only benefit is to avoid cracking in aluminum rims.

I'll skip the personal insults, and I'm sorry if I intimidate you to the point you must resort to that. I've gotten 1 (one) message here since I joined this forum indicating someone was offended by a post or U2U I made. I'd be interested in seeing info on these almost daily attacks I've made on all these other kiters. Anyone that offensive shouldn't be on the forum at all. I'll disappear if that's the consensus.

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Originally posted by BeamerBob I guess what I'm trying to get out of you is a benefit of the wheels and tires. Believe it or not, I didn't even envision having a buggy a year ago. My flexi might be as nice as I ever get, but alas, I might upgrade again and again. Those on here with a PL buggy might upgrade as well. We all learn from those of you that have been at this for awhile. If you can't explain the value of the tires and wheels then so be it. Someone recently said "If I get to the point where I can't learn anything else about this or improve in some way, I'll find another hobby". I and many others here, could in the future, be in a situation where they want what experts consider the best. I wouldn't buy blindly, but rather would go on the advice of someone that can give their opinion and some reasons that allowed them to develop it. So far, the only benefit is to avoid cracking in aluminum rims. I'll skip the personal insults, and I'm sorry if I intimidate you to the point you must resort to that. I've gotten 1 (one) message here since I joined this forum indicating someone was offended by a post or U2U I made. I'd be interested is seeing info on these almost daily attacks I've made on all these other kiters. Anyone that offensive shouldn't be on the forum at all. I'll disappear if that's the consensus.

Here are the benefits that I see from a tire and wheel like this

1.) float over any type of soft sand ie dunes, deep soft pack and other places that would bog down even a moonlight

2.) with a wider displacement of the weight of the buggy over moonlights you would be faster in the buggy

3.) wider tire more grooves should displace water better than our standards moonlights

4.) The bling factor after you polish out the staniless wheel

5.) static balance the aluminum wheel better over a plastic hub

6.) buggy would probably float with these tires LMAO

7.) allow the pilot to hold more kite and hold his line.

These are just some of the benefits that I see off the top of my head.

Big John

John

Where are you planning on using the new wheels?

Susan (npw goddess)

Hey guys,
Gee I guess I missed a bunch when I was out bugging all weekend. I guess this weekend I can take the weekend warrior comment. I usually am out 6 days for usually 4 hours so I am not sure that applies on an average week. I Agree with you mostly Big John I never said they weren't a fair price just unfair shipping. I really wanted to make some snide comment back but I am an adult and will refrain. I own 2 buggies if you cared to notice before you jump all over my poor peter lynn, I use it for freestyle dude! I have replaced about half now... I looked at production buggies like you did I guess but decided for having a custom one built for me. I am (perhaps like you, I am a big guy 6'4 220 lbs) I have full CadKats front and Asymmetrical rear Cads. I opted against mod-ding a production buggy. I don't know you you don't know me and I am sorry if my comments offended you or anyone else, I was just sharing my experience. I needed a replacement part for my CadKat and the price that I was quoted directly (I emailed them as I assumed the shipping price was in error) and bought from an American supplier and saved almost 75 dollars. That was including the suppliers mark up, it is sad when a company makes great components but insists on marking the shipping rates.
I again appoligise to everyone for starting this silly out of control discussion. They are cool looking rims and I could justify the price but NOT the shipping. You have likely much more experience that I accept that, I spend a huge amount of time in my buggies I don't really care what buggy/kite I use. I just am out for fun. I think that anything that makes you happy is well worth the money.

I have a question I'll post it in another topic.

I ship from Germany every 3 to 4 months and could add to the shipment. The Eurotrax looks like it could be the bomb.

6.) buggy would probably float with these tires LMAO

With the three Nankang slicks on my bug it did float - had to wade out into 4ft deep water to retrieve it before the tide got it.