Question: between the DP Power 3.5 and the DP Speed 2.5 which of the two would you all like to fly...The POWER will come ready to fly. The SPEED
will come kite only, so you'll need to put a line set on it...and equalized line set. IT'LL COST YOU NOTHING, JUST SHIPPING TO THE NEXT PILOT
WHO IS GOING TO BE FIRST?:dunno:
I RECOMMEND THE POWER....NEED TO KNOW WHICH I'LL SEND OUT!!
Great- 2nd kite I have to take a pass on due to last weeks back injury! I need a 3.5 too and have been looking. I will lurk and see how long the list
is and maybe jump on last if my back will be healed by shipping time. Thanks for offering.
HQ Beamer II 1.8-
Flexifoil bullets 2.5- 3.5 mine, can\'t have it!
Pansh ACE 4.0- for sale $75
Peter Lynn Viper- 3.9
Naish Aero 10.0
Naish Aero 12.0
Rockville Kite Trike
I would like to try the power, comes with lines right? I would like to see what their lines and handles are like. I need to get some new ones. If I
am too late to get in on it, I understand
Thanks
US40
HQ 1.4m which my 8 and 10 year old fly
Pansh Flux 2m, Legend 3m,
HQ Hydra 300 PZ depower, Neo 8m, 11m
Flysurfer S3 Deluxe 19m, S2 15m
Flexboardz Haize
Radbuggy
SIMS snowboard
Crazy Fly 145
Originally posted by USA_Eli_A
sewn dyneema and very nice quality....I'm doing DP a favor...these kite are better than beamers and pansh and cost about the same....
DP are nice kites ... same Ozone Lines, and made the same way as Ozone, just using cheaper materials and construction methods (e.g. meshed vents).
However Eli get real .... you'll need to back up your claims on cost ... please show us where you can buy a:
DP Power 3.5 RTF delivered for $149.00???
or a DP Speed 2.5m RTF delivered for $139???
Look forward to the reply ... because I for one would like to buy a DP at those prices ...
the dp 2.5 power will cost the same as a legend 2m and 3m together. thats only 2 to 1 ratio its usually 3 or 4 pansh to one ozone.
I can see how thats close andya :tumble:
andya....fyI because I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!
$279.99 FOR dp Power and $324.99 for a DP speed with ozone lines and handles!!!
so #1 and #2 you must be talking about Pansh....and HERE where we fly everything and examine it from a customer service stand point before we bring it
it...Pansh did not pass the test...it FAILED HORRIBLY!!!!
THE DP BRAND IS FAR BETTER THAN HQ AND PANSH.....GET REAL AND STOP LYING TO YOURSELF.
ITS ABOUT QUALITY NOT QUANTITY!! YOU SHOULD 'KNOW' THIS!
One the other hand, if you'd like to try one send me your address\
Originally posted by USA_Eli_Asewn dyneema and very nice quality....I'm doing DP a favor...these kite are better than beamers and pansh and
cost about the same....
Quote:
Originally posted by USA_Eli_AHowever Eli get real .... you'll need to back up your claims on cost ... please show us where you can buy a:
DP Power 3.5 RTF delivered for $149.00???
or a DP Speed 2.5m RTF delivered for $139???
Look forward to the reply ... because I for one would like to buy a DP at those prices ...
Quote:
Originally posted by USA_Eli_A
$279.99 FOR dp Power and $324.99 for a DP speed with ozone lines and handles!!!
Thank you for confirming this. DP are roughly the same price for you as they are in the UK.. So we're all agreed you were telling Porky Pies the
first time round ...
Quote:
Originally posted by USA_Eli_A
so #1 and #2 you must be talking about Pansh....and HERE where we fly everything and examine it from a customer service stand point before we bring it
it...Pansh did not pass the test...it FAILED HORRIBLY!!!!
THE DP BRAND IS FAR BETTER THAN HQ AND PANSH.....GET REAL AND STOP LYING TO YOURSELF.
ITS ABOUT QUALITY NOT QUANTITY!! YOU SHOULD 'KNOW' THIS!
This I struggle to understand,. There are literally thousands of people out there that have had SUPERB service from Pansh, with a absolutely no
quibble replacement policy, when the kites are flown in a reasonable way. Thats why Pansh is the fastest selling power kite brand in the UK.
You obviously had a bad experince ... and are now going on ... and on ... and on about it ... Occasionally the wheels fall off for all companies,
but most of us realise that, and give the companies a chance to pick up their game.
For instance I mostly fly Ozone, despite all the recent problems with their kites .. for instance ...
- the 07 range, cell blowout issues (saw two go in one afternoon on the beach). Ozone lost customers over here, on that QC
issue.
- the 08 Bar recall
- the Sami2
- ... I could go on .. (haka, cult ... issues .. etc) ... but I won't.
I don't make an issue of this, I just avoid '07 Ozone kites, and the Sami2
Quote:
Originally posted by USA_Eli_AOne the other hand, if you'd like to try one send me your address
Thank you for the offer to post to the UK, but I've already flown both kites. The lines are good, but the DP kites nothing special. The Power was
OK, but the Speed seemed to have all the worst bits of both the Riot and Haka, and I really didn't like it.
-there are abo#@%$#!ely no issues with any ozone kite...
-blow out happen with every brand, those issues are a sign of unexperienced flyers..and the '07 are awesome, one of my favorite years
-telling porky pies. you'll have to be more specific..I don't do pork
I never posted those prices, I have a shop and have been selling the dps at the same price for a year and a half....no problems..at all
If you know something I don't I look forward reading it....
just to recap....
there are in fact
-no issues with any ozone product, they only produce finished and refined equipment
-all kite companies had problems with there bars at one point in time or another
-I see 50 bad pansh kites a season....all blown, or lines jacked...
Riots and Hakas as well as the speed are for experienced riders. we ride them at speed up to 60mph and the Haka BOOSTS HUGE!!
Eli.. do I gather from your post that you have a commercial interest in Ozone? If so, I have no idea how anyone can deny documented problems with
Ozone Kites...
I can speak from personal experience having seen two 07 Ozone Depowers pop cells within 15mins. The second was hardly even a crash, right in front of
us, just a slow tip tuck into the deck. This kite was repaired very well by Surface Tension, only to have two further cell blowouts on the other
side within 6 months. These experiences were repeated by several other experienced members of our club with 07 Ozones over the following few months,
and are not isolated, and well documented. Many club members moved away from Ozone at these time, due to the problems. Fortunately these issues
seem to be addressed in latter 07 kites, and I'm happy with the construction of my 08's.
As for Ozone only producing "finished and refined equipment"? Have you ever flown a Sami2 or early production run Cult???? No one could not apply
"finished" and "refined" to either of these.
Lastly to clear up, your Porky pies, were lying about the price of the DP's been the same as other stated brands. But that has been cleared up, as
not true now.
Good winds.
(PS - congratulations at flying a Haka, Riot or DP Speed at 60mph - truly miraculous)
YOU KEEP BLOWING OUT YOUR KITES BECAUSE YOU CRASH TOO MUCH...LEARN TO FLY!
15-55mph winds and this kite isn't perfect...well take a look...
and cool man,
I don't really care, I have loads of happy riders flying these. all have more experience and would argue against you...but hey, you know it all and
must design kite too!
OH, HERE IS AN 07 KITE FLYING PERFECLY IN THUNDERSTORMS
OH AND ANOTHER VID, OF OFFSHORE GUSTY TURBULENT WINDS AND ANOTHER PERFECT FLIGHT WITH AN 07 OZONE..
SO HYJAK SOMEONE ELSES THREAD DOOOOD!!! AND TALK #@%$#!E ABOUT OZONE THERE!!!
Chill dudes. I've said it before,... but we are Brothers of the Wind. Let's all just get along... Like Martha says it's all good. Please, we don't
need anyone's knickers in a knot.
Everyone loves Pie,... am I right?
Cheers to Eli wanting to share some kites... back to the original thread,...
You don't know me, I don't know you. So quite frankly claiming "me and my mates are more experienced, than you and you mates" is quite frankly
ludicroius.
Personally I've never damaged a kite. But loads of experienced folk in our club had issues with early '07 Ozone. I saw the landings, I saw the
damage, I saw the faults in Ozone kites. I avoid '07 Ozone for this reason.
No kite manufacturer is perfect, get over it.
PS - nice video ... to return the compliment here is a more understated one from our club ... enjoy ... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KsvM0j1gH2Q&feature=user
The OBE was Rich, and he still holds the club OBE distance record ... a mental day.
I have to chime in here. We have been selling the Ozone kites for over 6 years through our shop, and do a very large amount of business with the
Ozone line. I have to proudly say that in the last 7 years of sales we have only had three....yes that's right, THREE kites returned for production
problems. One of those being the recall on the bar that Ozone clearly put out to the market openly for safety reasons. The bar of course was
instantly replaced by Ozone, free of charge including shipping both ways, and the customer is completely satisfied with his purchase.
Never have I had or heard of any problems with an Ozone kite blowing cells out during normal flight or a simple tip tuck into the deck - unless that
kite was previously subject to extreme nose-in slams on the ground (usually the same type of pounding that would completely destroy most other
manufacture kites). Most of the people on this forum have flown long enough to know that your story is completely bull (or, porky pie as you know it
as) and that if it did indeed happen like you said then the kite had to be seriously abused previously before the simple tip tuck incident, most of us
are experienced pilots and have seen or even pounded our own kites into the ground. Believe me we know how much it takes to blow out a kite and it
can't happen from a simple tip tuck and especially if that kite was indeed an Ozone. In nearly every manufacturer kite that we have sold over the
last 8 years of business, the Ozone brand has always been the best built and highest quality kite we have had the opportunity to use. The Haka and
the Riot both are awesome kites when flown by the right pilots under the right situations, I myself have been well over 50+mph with both the Haka 3.0
and the Haka 5.0 so I can vouch for Eli's claims of their performance and quality. These kites are a bit trickier to use and require a lot more
skills to get them to perform than a simple low aspect ratio kite. I will also say that they are not for everyone. I have personally flown every
model of the Pansh kites as well as put them up side by side against the Ozone's (and other brands) and there is a blatant difference in quality and
performance between the two with the Ozone clearly out front in all categories. I am not taking shots at Pansh or their riders nor am I trying to
bash their products, just stating facts that until now I have not bothers to bring up. They are ok kites for people who can't afford anything better
and the price (IMO) is really the only thing these kites have over the competition. I won't go into racing, trophies, professional pilots and their
achievements because I have been in this sport long enough to realize that the rider makes the kite, not the kite making the rider. If someone is to
actually place with a Pansh kite then I am truly impressed with their skills and can only wonder what they would be able to accomplish with other
brands (And I can pretty much assume that the bridle, lines and handles on the winning Pansh have been reworked and it isn't actually a Factory
produced product).
I assume that you are either a team rider, employee, representative or just an advocate for Pansh and by doing so have a strong desire to pimp their
product. I think it is very poor cheap shots that you attempt to raise the value of these kites by down talking and degrading of the other brands
instead of letting the quality of your kites speak for themselves...but then again if the Pansh kite doesn't have any qualities that are better, then
the only thing you got is to try and make everyone else look bad.
I find it almost comical that you boast how great the Pansh kites are compared to the so called "inferior and unfinished Ozone products" and I quote
from your post above...
"Quote
"As for Ozone only producing "finished and refined equipment"? Have you ever flown a Sami2 or early production run Cult???? No one could not apply
"finished" and "refined" to either of these."...
end quote"
and then think back to EVERY Pansh kite that I have recieved needing major bridle adjustments just to get the kite to fly half decent. I could take
the time to post links to nearly every thread here about the Pansh kites and the quotes from those threads saying that the lines and handles are junk,
toss them and buy a better quality set like the HQ or Ozone ones...of point to threads on the Pansh Company forum telling everyone how to re-adjust
their so-called FACTORY bridle so that the kite will fly better. Before you start throwing rocks in your Pansh glass house you may want to look
within at the quality of your own gear first. We have over 45 Ozone kites in stock right now including IMP's, Cult's, Haka's, Manta's, Frenzy's and
Yakuza's and I will guarantee you DOUBLE THE COST OF THE KITE that you can take ANY ONE of those kites out, hook up the supplies lines and handles (or
any factory Ozone line and handle set for the YaS-P-A-M-L-I-N-K-s) and it will fly perfectly the first time without the need of any aftermarket tricks
or any adjustment at all to the bridles and will only require a simple knot adjustment to the handles to fit the flying style of the pilot. I think
the quality of the Ozone product speaks for itself...just check to see how many of them are for sale on E-bay or even on this forum. I find it
comical that a large majority of the Pansh kites seem to be dumped within weeks of the owner purchasing them at a large amount of loss from the
already cheap prices they go for where the Ozone (and most other brands) hardly ever get sold unless the pilot is looking to upgrade and even then the
kites hold their value very well, often selling used for more money than the Pansh kites are new. When you take all this into consideration I think
you will find that the Ozone/HQ/DP kites are actually the same price or cheaper in the long run. I guess it still all boils down to the old
saying...you get what you pay for.
Anyways, I am off this soap box and am tired of this thread. I realize that you will probably dissect my post and rebuke the things that I have said
that can be taken out of context which is your right...but the chance of me replying to those is minimal. How about instead of having a verbal war on
the forum, you bring your Pansh kites, I will bring my Ozone kites and we take them to the dry lake bed and have some showdowns. No racing (unless
you really want to, I'm all for it) but instead we'll start by pounding the kites full force into the ground and/or dragging them across the playa to
see which ones actually hold up longer...oh, and you can only use kites that come straight from the factory without any extra aftermarket add-ons or
re-working the bridles or changing the lines/handles....I will of course do the same.
@ a windofchange ... just read you post ... the Access 2 10m in question was brand new out of the bag ... the other Access2 8m on its third flight.
This was Oct 06, hence was the first run of 07 kites, which maybe never made it across the pond...
Let's get back to sharing the love,... the original post was about sharing some kites. Giving people the chance to try before they buy...
Pansh Shmanch Ozone Shmozone - the geography of the U.S. and Canada make having a "shop" anywhere nearby almost an impossibitlity. These pass the
kite offers are great for riders that would have little opportunity to try anything else other than what they own.
Once again. Lets get back to the "pass (share)" program, the original thought of this thread...
Brothers of the wind... brothers of the wind.......
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