Maybe a daft idea but ....

Ok so we let the daft people loose on the big fat tyres and the ATB hubs how easy is it to change tyres? Bicycle tools ok?

Off hand, I would say maybe not. The trolley wheels probably aren't set up to spin particularly fast and you might smoke or lock them up depending on what they are using for bearings. Worst case scenario is that you damage your axles.

Been thinking about this since the two posts with Furb's new "Legacy" wheels. Finally id'ed them. They are GI Multi-Hubs. They used to support running the Bazookaz Street Tires, 8 inch/9 inch ATB tires and lastly 9 inch Sick Slick tires for hooligan riding on damp grass/loose sand.

9 inch tires might not see like a large jump at first blush, but they were considerably wider (within the boundaries of wheel bite/rub, though)

Although GI doesn't currently sell the Multi-Hub, Matt is checking to see if they have any Multi-Hubs and Sick Slicks hiding in the rafters.

GI also has a 5 spoke hub that isn't listed on their site that will accomodate larger tires.

Lastly, they are working on a spacer for the Terraintula that will allow it to accept larger tires.

For the UK, MBS has a tri-spoke that will accept a 9 inch, extra width tire (alas no slicks listed directly from MBS). Primo also has a 5 (I believe) spoke that fills that niche. One or two UK retailers are currently having fire sales on GI Multi-Hubs with or without Sick Slicks mounted on them. No shipping to the US though normal channels though :sniff: .

ATB,
Sam

UPDATE: Apparently GI still has some Multi-Hubs and Sick Slicks hiding in the rafters, sooooooo if you feel the need/want contact your local (or not so local) dealer. Hmmmm.... I wonder if I can get a commission ... or at least a t-shirt.... :singing:

The WBM is awesome, but in some cases it is hit or miss when you aren't 100% sure of the vintage of a product.

It's also too dependent on the underlying architecture of a website.

It handles static pages fine... but websites based on content management systems, database driven sites and links embedded in Flash content, there is a lot of choking, groaning metal, and chipmunks hurling themselves from great heights (Oh the humanity!!).

If the content is important enough to me, I figure it's a matter of fending for myself :sniff:

Still, it's nice to dare to dream.

ATB,
Sam

Who needs the wayback machine with Sam around???

OK, that's my teacher's pet moment of the day done with. :moon:

I had looked at the sick slicks earlier, but only found one site selling them, wonky page a year out of date... So imagined they were off the market, it's good to hear a few are still around. I think they might be a nice midstep between the big tires I have on the way and the normal ATB tires... By the big tires I mean the monster primos on the other thread:
( http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=12071 )

Two questions about the slicks:

Are they suited to running at low pressures? and they look significantly lighter than the monster primos... are they? Also do they need the multihubs?

(I won't be getting the multihubs from the other thread, just the vegas, so I'll have only those and the old crossairs to mix with... If I end up getting other hubs, I'd prefer getting the new crossairs, they seem as bomber as anything else out there)

I haven't gotten my kite and board put together yet, but the slicks look like fun...

BTW, I've been downhilling on the board with the trucks reversed, I bottom out occasionally but otherwise it works fine, and carving has been fine now that I'm starting to get a little speed going. So I'll be trying that with the big tires, which should eliminate the bottoming out and give me the extra clearance it sounds like I might need...

(sorry, totally disorganized post... )

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Originally posted by furbowski Who needs the wayback machine with Sam around???

Spontaneous combustion from embarrassment is still a possibility....Eeeeek.

Think Slicks are pretty much gone from most US dealers. I think they were a bit confused that I was asking about them. GI dealers can order them for you or calling GI directly will get you sorted.

Not sure whether the slicks are suited for low pressure. In some ways it's strange that minimum pressures aren't list, but I guess they don't know what kind of side pressure you are going to be putting on them, so it's easier to just skirt the whole liability tar pit and give a tire pressure that will insure the tires seat properly and completely on the hub.

I think the Slicks look lighter because the Primos have such agressive treads. I am not even sure how many plies the Slicks are... that would definitely be a major point.

Not sure how hard Primos are to get in the US.... don't see them much. Difficult to tell without any scale reference, but the MBS T2's look like they might be in the same league as the Primo's


I assume it is because there isn't a whole lot of variance in ATB tire sizes, but I wish sites would list them anyway... same with hubs and bearing (ID, OD, and width).

Pretty sure Slicks require Mult-Hubs or a similar hub due to the ID. Still need to post pictures of the Terraintulas, but got slammed at work.... might just be worth it to photo the full assortment of GI hubs and tires (Multi-Hub, Vegas , CrossAirs, Terraintulas, MAK, and Slicks).

As far as disorganized.... you should listen to some of my phone conversations.... especially sleep deprived.

EDIT: Hmmm.... just went back and looked at the Monster Primos.... are they 10' (or metric equiv)? Does the sidewall have a measurement on them?

ATB,
Sam

230x65 is IIRC what's printed on the side of the tyre ... 200x65 is what the Photon has and side by side, they're much smaller in appearance. The trolley tyres have only some weird numbers on them that make no sense to me

The Kava is a big, long and heavy board - 13 ply IIRC and around 13kg. I assume that's why it has such chunky wheels. I thought that if I could get some bigger fat ones on, I may be able to use it in softer sand beaches ... unless there's some way to adapt the RollEz balloon tyres but I don't see how, without a new axle

Actually, I think I might have been reading about inverting trucks on Silverfish (mostly street boarding, but still interesting)... alas everytime I go back there I get distracted.



This alone was worth the price of admission to the SurfingDirt forum:
"High pressure in street slicks make them slippery as owl sh|t. "

Thanks for the link.

ATB,
Sam

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Originally posted by furbowski wow weird honeycomb special there

Single piece street deck cut from a piece of aluminum billet with a water jet. I just find stuff like that sooo freakin' cool.

ATB,
Sam

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Originally posted by DirtDave1 Contact the Street Slick master, he goes under the name of BG Surfer on surfingdirt.com. It is all he rides, he doesnt kite, that i am aware of, but he can probably tell you all about the tires. I know he has his tire pressure to a science. Here is a link to him in action: http://www.surfingdirt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1484

Holy heck go the old guy! That's awesome

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Originally posted by Kamikuza Holy heck go the old guy! That's awesome

no kidding... He's an inspiration!

and "my karma ran over your dogma" ...priceless!

@ HAH, hope it works better than the fog machine trick.... IDK :puzzled: longevity and weight ????

Old Guy here. LOL

DirtDave tells me you are in search of cheap wide tires. Gotta help out some "true seekers."

What you are looking for is "8-3.00-4 smooth tires." My brand is Cheng Shin as they are easy to find here in the States. What they are is "riding mower tires." Dave at Ground Insustries seems to think he can get them for you if you want.

The max pressure rating for the Cheng Shin 8-3.00-4s is 30 psi -- for riding mowers. They work great on pavement and should float nicely over packed sand/wet sand.

For carving, I ride 33 psi front tires and 21 psi rear tires. I weigh 190 lb (86.4 kg). You will need tubes for 9-inch tires (MBS 9" tubes work well). The MBS Tri-spoke split hubs will accomodate the 8-3.0-4s nicely.

Would love to try a split hub with a little wider rim if anybody knows of one that will work on a 12 mm MB axle.

Just in case you have difficulty finding some, here are a few US suppliers:

http://www.pressureparts.com/MowerParts-C-MowerWheels-Pressure-Part-160-147.aspx

http://www.mowtownusa.com/m5_view_item.html?m5:item=160-147

http://www.smalltires.com/store.cfm?action=Products&subaction=detail&Id=43d3c17f-d607-436c-ab73-e43879146da6&StartRow=1&CategoryId=465 d0f76-c041-40ee-84c0-58e2fcc88dd2&Brand=09eaa647-6c70-4027-ace6-cb83cfff652c

Ride 8-3.00-4 streets slicks.
"It'll change your life... Swear to God."





http://www.surfingdirt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1323

Welcome to the inspirational old guy!
Might be able to get something similar here - I'll keep my eye out for that size. I think I'll just bite the bullet and buy a wheel and pull it to bits ...

GI still has them, it is just not on their website.

You can order it as a set the same as the Vegas/Mak tire package. You will get
4 Multi-Hub hubs
4 Sick Slick (Cheng Shin 8-3.00-4) smooth tires."
4 9" tubes
8 12mm bearings

Everything will be assembled and the tubes filled to nominal pressue (just enough to hold everything on the hubs. When you get them, just mount, top off the air, and roll.

You can contact any of the GI dealers (perhaps a PKF dealer ) and place the order for the set through them. They will most likely be drop-shipped to you

I think Matt was surprised when I asked if they were still available. They were packaged and shipped within 24 hours.

Actually, I think my exact question was "How much interest would have to be shown, to bring the Multi-Hubs and "Sick Slicks". Well, as the Sick Slicks are the Cheng Shen's that BGSurfer referenced, they never really went away.

As far as the Multi-Hubs, they are available by request, but GI is also working on alternatives (see above). It wouldn't be that hard to imagine a updated Multi-Hub using the same fiber reinforced plastic that the 2010 CrossAirs use. That would just rock.

ATB,
Sam

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Originally posted by Kamikuza Welcome to the inspirational old guy! Might be able to get something similar here - I'll keep my eye out for that size. I think I'll just bite the bullet and buy a wheel and pull it to bits ...

bite that bullet yet?

:singing:

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Originally posted by indigo_wolf They were packaged and shipped within 24 hours.

looking forwards to hearing more... :ticking:

Was about to but then thought ... maybe I should measure them with the stores stock of tape measures glad I did, the hubs are much bigger

How much for the 9" kit?

Kitten Smuggling...not to be confused with Bonsai Kitten?





(Bonsai Kitten...i never laughed so hard at a site since My Trailer Park)

Kam:

$90 for the whole set.... errr um... assuming you are only running 4 wheels that is.

ATB,
Sam

Ok put me down for a set on the slow boat what do I have to do to pay for it?

... and I'm still a dog person no matter how many cute cat stories you tell

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Ok put me down for a set on the slow boat what do I have to do to pay for it?

Errrr.... ummm.... just U2U me your CC number.... and if you see a charge for a custom Ozone 8M Access XT.... well, pay it no mind.

GI and Ozone are merging (true story... ) and some of their inventory descriptions are still off. :saint:

But seriously.... the best way to do it is to contact one of the GI Dealers (I am just a customer)... I didn't think you would want to call GI long distance.

Perhaps one of them will see this and hit you with a U2U. Otherwise (and I expect you know this) Angus is acampbell, Dino is Dakitez, and Kent is awindofchange. Hit one of them with a U2U.

Have them place a drop-ship order and then Paypal invoice you. Since it is not on the GI or any retailer's website, that's what turned out to be the least muss and fuss... at least that is the way my order was handled. If the Multi-Hub gets totally sold out, the unlisted GI 5 spoke will also take the Slicks and the cost should be comparable.

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... and I'm still a dog person no matter how many cute cat stories you tell

OK.... cute dog story then.... When Bridie really want to wedge herself into one of the cat beds and it is already occupied, she toddles off to the water dispenser in the kitchen and takes a couple of massive gulps of water. She holds it in her mouth, and runs back to the bed, opens her mouth and dumps the water on the feline interloper. When the cat vacates the bed with a look of disgust and indignation, Bridie smugly jumps right in. She doesn't mind the dampness as she has more than a little water dog in her.

ATB,
Sam

Actually, how about I send you a money order for $500 and you send me the change back? :D
I'd hate to bug the boys if there's no profit in it for their time ... will GI do email?

That is great dog story Dog rule! Cats drool!