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Hardrock - 4-6-2010 at 11:30 PM

I've seen peeps going for the full Phantom quiver and others just buying them up.

Is it the look or something else?
I think its the best looking kite ever made but don't know much else about it.

Say you ended up with one like ebay had. 15m new, never opened.

Would you fly it? or would you keep it new?

ripsessionkites - 4-6-2010 at 11:36 PM

buy it, fly it or you'll never know

phanny are de fastest arcs made, and are great buggy engines for the bar lovers. also AJ likes to use his for kitesurf too.

BeamerBob - 4-6-2010 at 11:37 PM

kites are made for flyin. Don't keep a girl like that standing on the wall at the dance.

acampbell - 5-6-2010 at 05:53 AM

Fly it for sure. Yes it looks cool - when I am ripping it on Jekyll Island beach, those driving on the parallel road up the island tell me that my 18m Phanny is the coolest thing floating over the dunes (can't see the buggy, just the kite) and keeping up with traffic at 30+.

With an A/R of 6.5, no other ARC besides the larger F-ARC has a higher A/R. Great light wind flier and terrific upwind performance as noted, yet still has "you-can-fly-it-with-a-beer-in-one-hand" stability and auto zenith. Water riders are fans, too.

I can't fly the Charger in the buggy- it turns so fast it has all the stability of a crack addict and almost no auto-zenith. The Synergy turns fast but is still stable. Pisses me off that PL thinks every new iteration of the ARC is the end-all of designs and they take others off the market. Just about every ARC since the Phantom - VII and on - has a place in the market to accommodate different applications and riding styles. The Phantom II can't come fast enough - I just hope they don't fuc* it up with "improvements" (besides another zipper on the big ones).

lad - 5-6-2010 at 06:13 AM

Sounds like the PL brand is having a case of "LEI Envy."

But Mr. Lynn himself told me he a "fan of the Phantom" himself - still has the T-shirts and prefers the more stable design as he gets older.

I guess no one here whose actually tried the Phantom II prototype is allowed to comment on it's performance compared to the original Phanny?

Kamikuza - 5-6-2010 at 07:42 AM

... I want a 9 and an 18 if anyone has them :D I want a set :yes:

Bladerunner - 5-6-2010 at 08:01 AM

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Originally posted by acampbell

I can't fly the Charger in the buggy- it turns so fast it has all the stability of a crack addict and almost no auto-zenith. The Synergy turns fast but is still stable. Pisses me off that PL thinks every new iteration of the ARC is the end-all of designs and they take others off the market. Just about every ARC since the Phantom - VII and on - has a place in the market to accommodate different applications and riding styles. The Phantom II can't come fast enough - I just hope they don't fuc* it up with "improvements" (besides another zipper on the big ones).

WOW ANGUS .

What a GREAT rant about the Charger. I agree with you 100% . The only thing I like about the new bar is the adjustable stopper. It is the newest bar in my bag and yet already looks the oldest.

I'm still waiting on my 15 to do a back to back but my 10m leaves me wishing that Peter Lynn kept the Syn in the line up even if the price had to go up.

As far as flying the Phantom. It doesn't sound right to me to say I own the best possible kite for these conditions but it's so pretty I won't fly it. So I'll make do with ( kite B ) today?

BeamerBob - 5-6-2010 at 08:15 AM

No one but team riders and PL design staff have flown the Phantom II. I don't see production models till after the first of the year based on discussion with MJ. That's my estimate, not his.

I flew the Charger in the buggy in light winds where I was working it and in winds that I was overpowered. It was fine in the underpowered conditions but I never felt at ease when the wind was cranking. I'd love to be able to buy a new Venom 13 and a set of Phantoms. I'm not sure what would be wrong with continuing to sell the old models. Why stop selling them to begin with?

tridude - 5-6-2010 at 08:42 AM

Phantom is my fav ARC on water (and not a water design:spin

................It sits far forward in the window like the FSer Speeds and once youre edging it accelerates very nice...................BB, ACampbell, an Pokite all mention how well they get upwind and park -n-ride with their Phantoms..............AJ hit 67 mph with his 9m at NABX 09 in a standard PL buggy..........................................Im def down for a 12m Phantom or Phantom 2 for the buggy and high wind dayz on the aqua......................agree with BB and Angus........if it aint broke dont fix it......................add two tip zips and let production begin.........hey PL are your listening, customers are waiting................................ :lol:

:duh::duh:

tridude - 5-6-2010 at 08:48 AM

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Originally posted by Hardrock
I've seen peeps going for the full Phantom quiver and others just buying them up.

Is it the look or something else?
I think its the best looking kite ever made but don't know much else about it.

Say you ended up with one like ebay had. 15m new, never opened.

Would you fly it? or would you keep it new?

Rock,

I purchased a new still in the wrapper 15m Phantom for $400 or $450...........you already have a bar for your 19 so this would not be a good deal for you. ......this auction is overpriced by at least $300 in my book.............

action jackson - 5-6-2010 at 08:51 AM

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Originally posted by tridude
Phantom is my fav ARC on water (and not a water design:spin

:duh::duh:

I hit 67.8 with the 6m in the Appex buggy, my fastest in xr+ is 59.6 also with 6m phantom....aj

Hardrock - 5-6-2010 at 08:54 AM

Too late Don, Its on the way!!!!!! Guess you figured what I had in mind. LOL

I'll send U2U about price, but I feel lucky. :lol:

lad - 5-6-2010 at 10:00 AM

Must...find...a....9m Phanny....
(then my life will be complete

)

arkay - 5-6-2010 at 11:09 AM

I imagine the PII will be at least as good as the PI. If they F it up, they might as well get some new staff or just continue toproduce the ld kite. And when the flood gates open on PII production either the PI owners will sell theirs off or won't buy up the PII supply. Either way one of them will drop in price and with open avail. I can't imageine PL holding onto stock; given the small market the are catering to, that'd just piss everyone off.

I plan to fly the v's this year, try some of the PII's when then come out and go from there. I'm also weird, I don't like the kite to fly by itself all the time and hang out with a beer, I actually want t fly the kite. On land, I typically prefer to fly underpowered and kite loop to all hell :D

AD72 - 5-6-2010 at 12:00 PM

I gather you must have made an offer on the $999 Phantom on Ebay. I was considering to make a realistic offer for it as well. Have fun with it. If it is not for you let me know.

It is definitely not an easy kite on water. Not that it can't be done - just need those arc skillz dialed in. I attempted a few weeks ago with the 9M when the wind was 30mph. One attempt at a water relaunch..........bowtie pinwheel. Great kite in the buggy.

lad - 5-6-2010 at 12:39 PM

The ARC handling dilemma sounds like the classic jet fighter trade-off of stability vs. maneuverability.

This seems true for all aeronautics, with the exceptions of the Revolution Quads and Bumblebees(?).

indigo_wolf - 5-6-2010 at 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by lad
This seems true for all aeronautics, with the exceptions of the Revolution Quads and Bumblebees(?).

One of my favorite inherently unstable designs...

The X-29A demonstrated excellent control and maneuvering qualities at an angle of attack up to 45 degrees. There was also a decrease in turbulence. The wing configuration made the craft inherently unstable. It could fly only with the constant corrections (up to 40 per second :o ) provided by the computerized flight control system. The system was made up of three redundant digital computers backed up by three redundant analog computers.

ATB,
Sam

Kamikuza - 5-6-2010 at 05:10 PM

Analog computers :eek:

ripsessionkites - 5-6-2010 at 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by BeamerBob
No one but team riders and PL design staff have flown the Phantom II. I don't see production models till after the first of the year based on discussion with MJ. That's my estimate, not his.

I flew the Charger in the buggy in light winds where I was working it and in winds that I was overpowered. It was fine in the underpowered conditions but I never felt at ease when the wind was cranking. I'd love to be able to buy a new Venom 13 and a set of Phantoms. I'm not sure what would be wrong with continuing to sell the old models. Why stop selling them to begin with.

everything before the Scorpion was under PL NZ (himself) whatever you want to call it ... hence why PL NL is now designing new arcs for the market, ie the Phanny II, and some other top secret arcs for speed.

lad - 5-6-2010 at 06:37 PM

My understanding is that the PII is being retro-engineered by the current PL brand designers, without even the original plans or templates of the NZ PL PI?

It seems that adding "more speed" could also mean "faster turning" which is not embraced by all the above buggiers.

Drewculous - 7-6-2010 at 06:53 AM

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Originally posted by lad
Must...find...a....9m Phanny....
(then my life will be complete

)

...ditto

PHREERIDER - 7-6-2010 at 07:51 AM

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Originally posted by ripsessionkites

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indeed the new designs are as flinty as an M5. but for performance, some comfort has to be sacrificed.

cheezycheese - 11-6-2010 at 07:26 AM

@Hardrock- whoa, look whose ARC quiver just tripled... good for you dude enjoy them!!! is that the unused Phanny from ebay...? :cool2:

Hardrock - 11-6-2010 at 09:59 AM

Yea cheezy, its the ebay Phantom. You should see it. Still hasn't been unfolded. The plastic bag was open so I slid it out and unfolded it like two flips just to know for sure, and there were a few pieces of new kite thread just laying in there.

Oh and the zippers, never been opened. First new Arc zips I ever seen. (the one I can see) Going to need time to take it in little by little. Can't just lay it out in the yard. CATS are out to get me.

This is a HOOJ responsibility but when the wind gets right, she's a going up. I guess.

I got the Venom 13 yesterday, and was blown away by it. It is in great shape, looks new also except one small repair. The zips on it look unused.

Ah, and the Proof will be here today. Just need wind and some time off.

Sweet thang and I should look real cute flying the same color kites. 19 n 13. She said this morning we should wear the same shirts also. Let me tell ya, that isn't going to happen. Never has never will.

But anyway, maybe one more kite and I'll be done for awhile.

BeamerBob - 11-6-2010 at 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by Hardrock

But anyway, maybe one more kite and I'll be done for awhile.

pokitetrash - 11-6-2010 at 11:32 AM

Yea, ...whatever!!
;-)

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Originally posted by BeamerBob

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Originally posted by Hardrock

But anyway, maybe one more kite and I'll be done for awhile.

acampbell - 12-6-2010 at 04:00 PM

Got me a 15 m Phanny on the way; can't wait.

Hardrock - 12-6-2010 at 04:12 PM

Way to go Angus, I know the feeling.

pbc - 12-6-2010 at 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by Hardrock
I've seen peeps going for the full Phantom quiver and others just buying them up.
...
Would you fly it? or would you keep it new?

Fly it. At JIBE I flew my 10 and 16m Scorpions and they rocked, but I found I was always chasing Dean and Tim as they flew the Phantoms. If I was on my game I could just barely keep up with them, but I could never catch them if they got ahead. It didn't matter whether I was flying more sail than them or less they had the edge on me. So, I'd fly the Phantom. Some day I think I'll get a 12m, but that's probably two kites down the road.

Philip

Hardrock - 12-6-2010 at 08:31 PM

Hey Philip, I remember your kites well. Very nice.

I'll get it out soon I hope when the wind is right. The wind wasn't good today but tried the V13. It flew when there was almost no wind but it also spent a lot of time on the ground.

I don't want to do the Phanny that way, on the ground then up then down,,,, repeat. Thats rough on a kite. So for awhile I'll look for the good days.

acampbell - 16-6-2010 at 01:12 PM

Got the Phantom 15. Looks good with low time, besides the one patched hole I new about. I replaced the clear plastic patch of unknown type with a ripstop repair tape patch both inside and out and she is good to go. The Zero 4 bar and lines are obviously very low time.

Nice little brother for the 18m.

Synergy 15 up for grabs...

BeamerBob - 16-6-2010 at 01:18 PM

I'm surprised you still have that Synergy.

You can now be phantomized in most any winds you would choose to buggy in. I bet the 15 gets the most use.

indigo_wolf - 16-6-2010 at 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by BeamerBob
I'm surprised you still have that Synergy.

:sniff: :sniff: :sniff: If the dogs in your neighborhood are running around in circles, it's because only they can hear the high-pitched keening that originates in the NE.

Between the 15m and tridude's 10m the dogs should be deaf soon.

ATB,
Sam

cheezycheese - 16-6-2010 at 04:49 PM

everybody loves a tight little phanny... :spin:

cheezycheese - 16-6-2010 at 04:56 PM

was bored and wanted to try out my little arc-inflatomatic fan... now whose got a 6m for sale....? :cool:

Hardrock - 16-6-2010 at 10:36 PM

That looks good sitting out there. Makes me want to inflate mine.

BeamerBob - 16-6-2010 at 11:46 PM

This one shows the awesome graphics. Hot launch on a day with barely enough wind to fly it.

One of my favorites. At Jekyll Island JIBE 2009

WIllardTheGrey - 17-6-2010 at 01:09 AM

ooo come on guys your making me drool.:eekdrull:

Kamikuza - 17-6-2010 at 03:00 AM

A Phantom thread and I haven't #@%$#!d my crisp, like new $100 12m? How very delinquent of me ...

pokitetrash - 17-6-2010 at 05:08 AM

Kami, if you don't #@%$#! it out too bad, I'd give you $125! PROFIT Baby -PROFIT!!!

I'm in the market for a Phantom 12 as we speak. Anyone willing to sell one?????

(Cricket....Cricket....)

lad - 17-6-2010 at 05:15 AM

now whose got a 6m for sale....? :cool:

Take a number, buddy! :rolleyes:

12m and 15m seem the most commonly available (that's all I've found so far)

pokitetrash - 17-6-2010 at 05:31 AM

Yea, I might be talked into doing something dirty to get a 12 in my quiver!:bigok:

Drewculous - 17-6-2010 at 11:17 AM

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Originally posted by cheezycheese
everybody loves a tight little phanny... :spin:

that green would go SOOOOO well with my blue one!

tridude - 17-6-2010 at 12:39 PM

nice lookin kite Kami......................so whats the hold up on the P2? Again add tip zips to the blueprints and start your sewing machines........appears the market/buyers are waiting..................can we get a bit of customer service here PL..................

BeamerBob - 17-6-2010 at 12:51 PM

There are no blueprints. They are starting from scratch to reverse engineer the old Phanny and add in the technological advancements that improve the package. They won't let it out till all that matter are happy with the result. It should be worth it.

tridude - 17-6-2010 at 12:55 PM

if it aint broke dont fix it.............add tip zips and vamos......................

BeamerBob - 17-6-2010 at 12:58 PM

The company operations changed hands between now and the Phantom release. That "old" model info didn't make the switch and isn't to be had any more. I guess they could take one apart and reverse blueprint the panels and start from there. Maybe that is harder. Maybe we'll hear someday.

acampbell - 17-6-2010 at 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by tridude
nice lookin kite Kami......................so whats the hold up on the P2? Again add tip zips to the blueprints and start your sewing machines........appears the market/buyers are waiting..................can we get a bit of customer service here PL..................

Marijn is on the road till next week and won't see this for a bit...
Last we talked he thought that the PII by the end of the year was a reasonable expectation but cannot promise. He says they really want it to be right and will wait until it is so...

tridude - 17-6-2010 at 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by cheezycheese
everybody loves a tight little phanny... :spin:

that Phanny looks familiar...................:o:o

rudeboysaude - 17-6-2010 at 01:19 PM

I'd think it's pretty safe to assume there will never be original Phantoms made again. If you guys really love them, better buy used what you can. And if your phantom ever is destroyed, take it apart and make your own blueprints of that sucker and rebuild. I think that is one of the reason people have this new desire to hunt down Phantoms, they're hard to find. Fun to collect. If I come across any used ones for cheap, I'll buy it. Not because I really liked the Phantom, but because I could resell it on this site for profit! haha.

There is a guy in the area.. with a small Phantom.. that I don't know if he flies anymore. Sitting on gold I guess huh!

Todd - 17-6-2010 at 05:45 PM

All this Phanny talk made me breakout my baby and give her a whirl.

Who knew she was a screamer.

Video link

action jackson - 17-6-2010 at 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by Todd

Who knew she was a screamer.

Video link

I knew! Give here a try on the water at 40knts! Ohh my god!...............aj

lad - 17-6-2010 at 08:35 PM

wow...if I could fly that 6m, I wouldn't miss anything about my noisy RC planes anymore! :cool2:

Drewculous - 17-6-2010 at 08:59 PM

i WANT a 9m... but that 6m... is like... nasty forbidden... deeply erotic pr0n...

i feel strange just watching it
:ninja:

...i need to be alone now... lol

Hardrock - 17-6-2010 at 10:39 PM

WOW that was weird. Sounded like I would imagine some long skinny prehistoric bird would sound. :lol:

Cool tho, very cool.

One run down the coast with that and our Plover troubles would be over.

I see right now, I'm going to have to inflate the 15 and make me a new avatar. I have some ideas.:smug:

Todd - 18-6-2010 at 04:23 AM

Now to give you a little history of the state park where I was flying at, it's haunted... flat out spooky stuff. I could hear the scream of the 6m faintly while flying it from a far but when I replayed the video it simply gave me goose bumps. I feel as if I captured a spirit within the kite for it to give out such a scream. All I can say is I hoping the spirit was having a good ride such as I was.

Maven454 - 18-6-2010 at 04:56 AM

Hate to point this out, but your kite's kinda whiny. I mean seriously, you should dump her :P

lad - 18-6-2010 at 06:29 AM

Yeah...Maven's got that rite...I'll take that whiny b***h off yer hands for yah , Todd! :evil:

I hear those 6m can be such a pain, some guys send them away for a "tuck job." :kiss:

Hardrock - 18-6-2010 at 07:39 AM

WG, Willard whipped me up a new avatar. I just knew you would like it. :lol:

Willard done a fine job indeed. :thumbup: