Well I now know why everyone else loves soccer pitches. West winds yesterday made me decide to give the soccer field a go. At 3:30 canceled my hair
appointment to go fly and off the field I went. The field consists of three pitches side by side separated by bleachers. A group was practicing in
the most west so after talking to one of the coaches there went to the farthest East. Not a ton of room but with 23km/h winds was able to get enough
speed to get the wobble before having to go the other way. Played for about 2 hours when I noticed around 5:30 many other people showing up. Assuming
that there was a game gonna happen I begun packing up to avoid confrontation. I landed and secured kite and packed up harness and safety gear. While
folding up my kite a gentlemen pulled up in his truck with a load of kids. Carrying his bag of balls he started towards me. Once close he stated "
Nice day for that I assume" I replied "yeah I've had a pretty good time this afternoon" the man then replied "its also a nice day to play soccer so
get the hell out of here we have a game" I replied well I assumed that and was just packing up so don't worry about it" his reply "this is a soccer
field not a #@%$#!ing skate park" then he kept walking. I asked another of the coaches if there was any issues that I was there when it wasn't in use
and he said that if it wasn't in use then it was public ground for anyone to use at their will as long as it wasn't damaged. The other coach was just
another volunteer like the rest of them.
I now know why the lush clean fields are liked by you guys makes for a fun ride. Never imagined that in my town I would be confronted with such
hostility. I don't really plan on using the field much as the bleachers really get in the way. Wish there were other places like that but more open in
my town.
Sorry for the rant but it was getting to me and had to share.
Shaggsindigo_wolf - 26-6-2010 at 12:39 PM
The world is fully of petty tin gods.... in your case someone apparently thinks a whistle grants them more authority than he actually holds.
If the bleachers make the field unsuitable, it's all good.
If you need to go back, just check with someone in the Parks and Rec dept that actually has some say in the rules governing field usage.
But.... and I can't stress this enough, make sure you go back armed with a soccer whistle with Hooj Ballz. That way your words can automatically
become law too.
ATB,
Samrevpaul - 26-6-2010 at 12:53 PM
tax dollars/grants pay for the fields.
retard coaches assume it is they (teams) whom "OWN" the fuggen fields and are the bosses of all who dare tread there. they assume we believe that
bullshid too.
the only reason the idiots act like that is cuz the team/club books the field to use at certain times. so they have a right to be there "at certain
times". form a kite club and you can book the fields as well.
*just for shids an giggles*...next time tell the idiot(s) you booked the field for the afternoon and they have to find somewhere else to play. i'd bet
money most teams don't book every single game/practice cuz they simply assume once they get out of their car everyone will just clear out. if idiot
chirps, demand to see the proof that he has rights to the field. even if fug-face has booked it U'll at least get a laugh at his spiked blood pressure
and red face and he'll know your not a retard who has no knowledge of rights and you won't be pushed around by a piss-ant like him.
or ask the town/city to find you some other 'suitable' location to ride. you might be surprised...i was.lad - 26-6-2010 at 01:21 PM
Now I understand why dads get into fist fights with each others during these kid games!Kamikuza - 26-6-2010 at 04:37 PM
One thing I miss about being able to communicate fully is my inability to really annoy people
Your tax dollars pay for the park too if it's a public space. I don't care if the regs say "No Kites" - I demand to use the park I pay for :D
... hair appointment ... :ticking: :shocked2: PHREERIDER - 27-6-2010 at 07:57 AM
let it go . the hostility
knowledge is power esp. for fearful piss ants, love that
let it grow, save the $ for whistle.... real power!shaggs2riches - 27-6-2010 at 08:44 AM
Yeah I wasn't all that irritated that they had a game, kinda expected that it was gonna happen. What got me the most was the guy approaching me like
that when there were tons of other people there already and they didn't seem to care. I'm gonna head to the parks and rec and get a schedule cause
these games take up every single field in town every single evening. If it's not soccer it's baseball or both. Half of them don't have soccer nets
they bring their own and take over the place. I get it too that I'm the only one in town who uses the fields the way I do but still. It's maddening
cause the lake is an hour away so I can't exactly go there after work if it's blowing.
I just gotta buy a huge rolling section of land that I can smooth out and hire someone to cut the grass once every two weeks. Then I can have all the
play area I wantTxshooter38 - 27-6-2010 at 09:09 AM
Phreerider is right....knowledge is power. Make sure you know all the rules pertaining to your use of the field AND the requirements for them. That
way when you can tell him how he is the one outside the rules (didn't book the field etc...) or that you have every legal right to be there. (city
owned park)
If you have done your research and know FOR SURE you are in the right a real shocker is to tell him to just go ahead and call the cops b/c your not
leaving. Just make sure you brought some supporting documentation (city ordinances, club bi-laws,etc.) to present to the officers. Remember to ALWAYS
interact calmly and logically with the officers. Cool heads prevail in these types of interactions with the police. They are going to side with what
the law says and if you have your facts straight it is the coach acting like a hothead who is going to get himself in trouble. Remember if you loose
your cool you can go to jail for it!!!! Stay calm!!!
If the officer does not side with you even though you are right just tell him that you disagree with his interpretation of the situation but will
gladly leave simply because he is asking you to. Then you will need to talk to someone above him in the rank structure to make your argument later.Txshooter38 - 27-6-2010 at 09:21 AM
One other thing...make sure when you look into who has legal authority at the area be mindful that while it may be city property there are many times
lease agreements signed by soccer (or other) groups to use the land. That typically gives them authority over the property.acampbell - 27-6-2010 at 09:34 AM
Interesting, reminds me of the civic lesson I got while working for the US Census recently. 96% of the people were totally cool, polite and
cooperative. 3% were a little miffed with me at first but in the end were polite and cooperative. Just 1% were angry/ rude/ hostile and where did I
find them? Not in the housing projects, not in the ghettos, not in the overgrown rusted out trailer parks, but in the middle and upper class
subdivisions and "nice neighborhoods".
One time a workmate and I got screamed at and chased out of a neighborhood by a hostile woman. We each hightailed it in our own cars and she was
yelling out her car all the way and holding her phone camera out the window taking pictures of our plates. When we got to a safe distance and the
coast was clear, my workmate pulled up in her car and said. " I recognize that lady from church. That's the preacher's wife".
I would have though the difficult ones were spread across the demographic spectrum and never would have though to find it clumped in the "nice
neighborhoods".
Later when we were assigned work and the boss would warn us of "rough neighborhoods" I'd jump and say "Give it to me. That's where the nice people
are!"Txshooter38 - 27-6-2010 at 09:40 AM
LOL!!....boy are you right!Insect00man - 27-6-2010 at 09:53 AM
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Interesting, reminds me of the civic lesson I got while working for the US Census recently.
Never did get to show my papers to the census Nazis.
I guess they had bad timing... knocking on the door just as the sprinklers were coming on.
"NO SOLICITORS - NO SALESMEN
If you can't read/understand this
then that's why you're about to get wet."
acampbell - 27-6-2010 at 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by Insect00man
I guess they had bad timing... knocking on the door just as the sprinklers were coming on.
Nope, we just went to the neighbors and asked about you and had them guess your age and ethnicity (that's ALL we need). But they always tell us a
whole lot more.... LOLInsect00man - 27-6-2010 at 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by acampbell
But they always tell us a whole lot more....
Depends on the neighborhood.
'round here, most folks would just knowingly laugh at your soggy attire.... and then water their own "lawn".acampbell - 27-6-2010 at 10:53 AM
And my point is made. ThanksInsect00man - 27-6-2010 at 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by acampbell
And my point is made. Thanks
Census "jobs" = recovery? NOT.
Don't take it personally. In addition to bureaucratic parasites suckling from the make-work government tit, we also soak salesmen, religionist
"evangelizers", and whatever else shows up on the doorstep and rings the doorbell despite reading the warning.shaggs2riches - 27-6-2010 at 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by acampbell
I would have though the difficult ones were spread across the demographic spectrum and never would have though to find it clumped in the "nice
neighborhoods".
Later when we were assigned work and the boss would warn us of "rough neighborhoods" I'd jump and say "Give it to me. That's where the nice people
are!"
Yeah that's generally how things work in my town. We are a city of about 30k that is comprised mostly of oil patch workers who get paid pretty
decently. To put it in picture for you half of the kids when they get their drivers license end up driving 30-60k cars and trucks because mom and dad
bought it for them. Due to this economy there is a high level of arrogant smug citizens who think that if you are not in their circle then you are
below them and thus don't belong. In my town money talks and if you don't have it then you are usually on the sidelines.Insect00man - 27-6-2010 at 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by shaggs2riches
end up driving 30-60k cars and trucks because mom and dad bought it for them.
Typically those vehicles are unappreciated and unmaintained; as are the latchkey child owners themselves - explaining the increasing usage of heroin
and hard drugs among suburban youth.
Klebold and Harris drove to their mass murder at Columbine High School in a BMW.
That's what happens when folks raise a generation, or 3, of "entitled" woosies who can't/won't compete and produce for themselves.
The McCities are full of Useful Idiot politically correct disaffected youth, and adults, enslaved via the illusion that suckling from the government
teet entitles them to the private property and information of others - just so they can keep the milk flowing.
Things get even more insane when those disafected miscreants join the police force - or worse, collectivize themselves into "revolutionary" gangs of
thugs who burn down the village with ease, but are completely incapable of rebuilding it.
So No Sale for you, comrade Campbell & Co.
Keep your collective arses off my lawn and out of my castle.revpaul - 27-6-2010 at 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by Insect00man
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Originally posted by shaggs2riches
end up driving 30-60k cars and trucks because mom and dad bought it for them.
Typically those vehicles are unappreciated and unmaintained; as are the latchkey child owners themselves - explaining the increasing usage of heroin
and hard drugs among suburban youth.
Klebold and Harris drove to their mass murder at Columbine High School in a BMW.
That's what happens when folks raise a generation, or 3, of "entitled" woosies who can't/won't compete and produce for themselves.
The McCities are full of Useful Idiot politically correct disaffected youth, and adults, enslaved via the illusion that suckling from the government
teet entitles them to the private property and information of others - just so they can keep the milk flowing.
Things get even more insane when those disafected miscreants join the police force - or worse, collectivize themselves into "revolutionary" gangs of
thugs who burn down the village with ease, but are completely incapable of rebuilding it.
So No Sale for you, comrade Campbell & Co.
Keep your collective arses off my lawn and out of my castle.
i remember doing book reports on places around the world when i was in elementary school. the assignments typically included things like population,
industries, if the place is economically wealthy or not and other stuff. i'm sure you and your kids did/do/will do the same stuff in school
i found all the pertinent info in an encyclopedia or two. (i'm 39 there was no www back then). as i recall my (and all other kids) assignments were
basically comprised of info (gathered)copied from encyclopedias with added hand drawn graphs/charts and some pictures clipped from magazines.
where does the info come from that the encyclopedias contain?
if i remember right the last time the census folks came around to my house they asked how many people live here and how much household income was how
old we all were.
when thinking about what harm this census info can do to me or other i come up with nothing. maybe you could enlighten me as to what harm this census
info can do me or others.
BTW i work for the local gas company not the government and never
have.Insect00man - 27-6-2010 at 01:20 PM
>>i remember doing book reports
Capitalize much?
The danger, "Reverend", is when government and its employees believe they are entitled to trespass on private property and demand information from
private citizens.
Want information? Come back with a warrant - otherwise... it's gonna get wet.Hardrock - 27-6-2010 at 01:21 PM
I found a grass air strip on Google Earth and decided to go have a look today. Its in a one horse town about 20 miles away.
Well when we rolled up we found a wrought iron fence around the strip, yard and rest of the land. Video camera at the locked gate.
Wonder if I'd got an ear full by asking those folks. I didn't notice any machine gun nest but I bet they were there.acampbell - 27-6-2010 at 01:30 PM
Rocky,
Do a Google search on "(countyName), SC GIS" and you can look up the property and find the owner of record and their address. Then do a reverse
address search on WhitePages.com and try and get a phone number. County records are not always up to date but it is a good place to start.pigryder - 27-6-2010 at 03:45 PM
sorry shaggs I edited my post several times now and I dont want to say the wrong thing to make you guys think Im an ass but I have major issues with
people like that......... WELDNGOD - 27-6-2010 at 04:14 PM
for those of you just tuning in, the topic was" got the boot" . As in they don't want me to fly here anymore. A far cry from" I don't want no guvment
revenuers 'round here" And don't get me wrong, if they came to take away my right to bear arms ... well let's just say you don't wanna be the first
3 or 4. Now back to the more important issue of a bro w/ a land sharing issuerevpaul - 27-6-2010 at 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by Insect00man
>>i remember doing book reports
Capitalize much?
The danger, "Reverend", is when government and its employees believe they are entitled to trespass on private property and demand information from
private citizens.
Want information? Come back with a warrant - otherwise... it's gonna get wet.
you failed to answer my question but did not fail in your to attempt to insult another complete stranger. great work considering insulting people is
such a difficult task these days and happens on such a rare occasion.
so it's not the actual info that scares you silly it's the act of someone stepping on your property to ask it. how about if the "nazis" mailed out a
questionnaire then?
are you sure your property is that private? the reason i ask is i get hassled quite a bit when i go onto supposed "private property" to perform my
job. thing is every single property that has a gas service on it has a contract signed that states i am allowed at any time day or night with no
notification of any kind onto the said property to access my facilities. i guess you'd probably have a word or whatever else waiting for me if i came
on your private property when perfectly within my rights to do so.Insect00man - 27-6-2010 at 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by revpaul
perfectly within my rights to do so.
You can discuss your "right" to trespass with my dog as he's removing your balls. Presuming he can find something so tiny.
In the USA, a contractual agreement is not a "right". U.S. Citizens have rights that are inalienable and not voidable by contract.
Maybe you royal subjects of Canuckistan have a different arrangement with your owners.erratic winds - 27-6-2010 at 09:32 PM
OH STFU ALREADY
IT'S POWER KITE FORUM
NOT POWER POLITIC FORUM.Kamikuza - 27-6-2010 at 09:41 PM
Insect00man - 27-6-2010 at 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by erratic winds
OH STFU ALREADY
IT'S POWER KITE FORUM
NOT POWER POLITIC FORUM.
Shut your ownself the phock up.
The issue of public and private land ownership / use is completely germaine to the topic.
You should know that, beings as you're the only person for whom "Kite ATB is 100% banned in Aurora County, Colorado." shaggs2riches - 27-6-2010 at 11:14 PM
Whoa dudes!!! I'm sorry I never wanted it to come to a debate like this. I was only meaning to share how my session ended. I don't even plan on using
the place again so I'm not too worried about it, just going down to the parks and rec so I can get some insight on when other places will be used so I
can avoid the whole ordeal in the first place. I think that its time to just put this thread to a rest so we can all worry about kiting instead. No
need to start an argument over this.
Thanks for the comments and concerns much appreciated
Shaggs
******END OF THREAD*****revpaul - 28-6-2010 at 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by Insect00man
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Originally posted by revpaul
perfectly within my rights to do so.
You can discuss your "right" to trespass with my dog as he's removing your balls. Presuming he can find something so tiny.
In the USA, a contractual agreement is not a "right". U.S. Citizens have rights that are inalienable and not voidable by contract.
Maybe you royal subjects of Canuckistan have a different arrangement with your owners.
yeah and when your neighbor severes your gas main while drilling a fence post and gas is migrating into his/yourr/and others houses i'd hope you were
home then otherwise i'd just have to wait for your house to level itself then.bobalooie57 - 28-6-2010 at 07:38 AM
And they banned snobdr for being disagrreable, but at least he was disagreeable about kites for the most part.erratic winds - 28-6-2010 at 08:25 AM
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Originally posted by Insect00man
The issue of public and private land ownership / use is completely germaine to the topic.
Too bad you want to talk merely to insult other peoples politics and "HURR NO TRESSPASS DURRR" instead of actually talking about land access issues
and the like.
You are paying for services from one government entity or another, and every one of those gives people from those companies access to your property,
but congrats on being incredibly proud of your ignorance in regards to this matter. Qwest & Xcel both do not need permission to enter your
property if you have any services from them.
You want to claim your talk is about land access? You should actually talk about it instead of just insulting people.indigo_wolf - 28-6-2010 at 08:59 AM
Thread Lock Requested...
ATB,
Sam
revpaul - 28-6-2010 at 09:47 AM
thread lock requested... awe shucks....
i was going to ask Insect00man what the look was on the faces of his employer/ mortage officer/landlord/kids' school/car dealer, telephone company
etc., etc... was when they "demanded" info from him. i imagine he must of brought a bucket of water or large water gun along to those encounters to
dowse them down.
i was going to ask him how he figures it came to be that he has rights and whom they came from and whom enforces them and how it is when "they" ask
for some harmless info in return they are deemed worthy of the garden hose.
and yes Insect00man they are small especially compared to the third member.
signed revpaul (i will also answer to tinyballs)McDuck - 28-6-2010 at 11:39 AM
I'm going to just ignore the whole middle of this thread and respond to the original post...
I had a very similar experience last year at a public park. My friends and I were doing our best to keep our kite in the air on a low wind day and
noticed a little legue team headed for the backstop that was nearby the area we were flying in. Before we got there we grounded the kite and moved a
good 100 yards or so away from the backstop assuming they were going to have their pracitce there. About 30 minutes later the coach comes over to
where we are and asks us to stop flying our kite because it's distracting some of his players. We said we would, and then he adds "and you guys
shouldn't be here anyway, we have this park reserved."
Well, I'm a pretty nice guy until someone thinks they're better than me so I politely told him that this is a public park and even pointed to the sign
a few yards away that stated such. I then asked him how he reserved the park. Apparently that was all it took to show this guys true character
because he started cussing up a storm and saying that if his team wasn't watching he would kick our @$$es, etc. etc.
Long story short, I'm not a big fan of those types of people, and I agree, keeping a level head and knowing the rules/laws is always the best course
of action. Sometimes it's just too easy to point out to people that they are behaving badly and I have a hard time not seizing those opportuinties.
I also asked him if he talked that way around his team. :DKamikuza - 28-6-2010 at 05:19 PM
I got people here who like to tell me they're the police or that they're going to get the police and give me a big fine. Being the bastard I am, I
invite them to use my telephone or perhaps I'll call them myself? :moon:Insect00man - 28-6-2010 at 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by revpaul
yeah and when your neighbor severes your gas main
Severes it? What if they just moderates it?
My neighbors are smart enough to utilize the (mandatory) "Call before you dig" service.
We Citizens know where we're digging... on our PRIVATE property in the U.S.A..
And since you mentioned blowing things up:
"Bomb Canada is a simple Palm game.
The object is to bomb all the buildings to allow
the plane to land before it crashes into them.
Originally posted by revpaul
thread lock requested... awe shucks....
i was going to ask Insect00man what the look was on the faces of his employer/ mortage officer/landlord/kids' school/car dealer, telephone company
etc., etc... was when they "demanded" info from him.
Entering into a voluntary contractual agreement is not the same thing as government coercion under threat.Insect00man - 28-6-2010 at 05:53 PM
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Originally posted by erratic winds
one government entity or another, and every one of those gives people from those companies access to your property
"Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power. "
--Benito MussoliniWIllardTheGrey - 28-6-2010 at 06:01 PM
:bigok:Looks like someone needs a big hug.:bigok:revpaul - 28-6-2010 at 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by Insect00man
Quote:
Originally posted by revpaul
thread lock requested... awe shucks....
i was going to ask Insect00man what the look was on the faces of his employer/ mortage officer/landlord/kids' school/car dealer, telephone company
etc., etc... was when they "demanded" info from him.
Entering into a voluntary contractual agreement is not the same thing as government coercion under threat.
how do you get "government coercion under threat" from...
Hello can I ask you how many people live here and how old are they and what is the annual household income?
i've heard it said and seen it written that most normal people treat complete strangers far better than their own. what a treat you must be to your
neighbors and your own.
yeah... your neighborhood is the only one on the planet where no line hits ever happen. take another puff dude.highazakite - 28-6-2010 at 08:00 PM
