Now that I'm familiar with the forms except quoting, someone please help, but anyway now that I have narrowed down the kite buggy, I'm moving on the
kite board. I have skateboarded my whole life, primarily half pipes and ramps, and want to get a board to complete my collection of kite toys. What
are you riding, whats hot and whats not. Ready to buy. Im currently flying a 5m prism tensor, and I just purchased a 3m ozone method which I have not
flown. I'm flying with handles and have flown with a bar once. I don't have a harness yet and need to get all of the things to board. I'm 6 feet tall
and weigh 215lbs. Thanks and I look forward to hearing what you pro have to suggest. Thanks in advance! Wescarltb - 30-8-2011 at 07:57 AM
take your choice!! (depending on what you want to do)WELDNGOD - 30-8-2011 at 08:20 AM
+1 for TRAMPA!
Powerws - 30-8-2011 at 08:24 AM
When I went to the Trampa board site, they many versions with different degrees listed. What are the degrees and what does it meanWELDNGOD - 30-8-2011 at 08:27 AM
here's an up close look at a TRAMPA!!
WELDNGOD - 30-8-2011 at 08:31 AM
skate trucks use 15* boards and spring channel trucks use 35* boardsWELDNGOD - 30-8-2011 at 08:33 AM
here is where I got mine from http://trampa.mountainboard.net/ they got some info on there too. I got mine custom made instead of what they have ready to go. They ain't
cheap though...flyjump - 30-8-2011 at 08:34 AM
the 35 degree board puts your deck closer to the ground. this is better for speed runs and carving. it gives you more stability. the 15 degree keeps
your deck higher off of the ground and gives your more flexibility and is much better for freestyle actionerratic winds - 30-8-2011 at 08:44 AM
I paid 300+ for my first board, a GI prodigy 90. Great deck, but bit of a narrow stance for my preference.(stance width is a VERY important factor)
Kept my eye out for a replacement on here and got my Akoni for a steal from another user who hadn't ever gotten into it.
yes, TRAMPA is just the top-of-the-line. But there's no need to spend the $600 on it right now, I would totally recommend you just keep your eye out
for a deal that users have shared on here, it's about the best way to pick one up cheap, and learn on it. You decide you're going to upgrade, then
look at Trampa/GI Akoni Pro/MBS Pro.Powerws - 30-8-2011 at 08:52 AM
What about a harness system, and I'm assuming I would use the existing bar that came with my kite? What would be the best harness to go with, one that
would be comfortable in the buggy. I heard you dont want a buckle on the sides or in the back. Weldngod, sweet custom board. I'm sure that cost a
pretty penny. I guess I would go with the freestyle board at 15*. Would the 5m tensor prism be a good kite to work with or should I go with a de-power
arc?B-Roc - 30-8-2011 at 09:05 AM
I ride GI boards (Flight 93 and Prodigy 90) but GI appears to be no more :sniff:
You can get a Trampa but as others said you don't need to spend that kind of money up front. Look at the MBS comp line or even the core line if
they'll support your weight. Or go used if you can get a deal.
Harnesses are one of those things you really want to try before you buy. I use a dakine fusion seat harness and love it. I can't use a waiste
harness as they crush my ribs but others hate seat harnesses because they drop the pull point way down.Powerws - 30-8-2011 at 09:52 AM
eratic winds, about the stance, Is it most like the skateboard stance?rdavis - 30-8-2011 at 09:59 AM
I've got an MBS Core 95 i'm selling that is basically new. I never used it other than rolling around the grass a few times. I can't really answer any
technical/performance questions about it, but i'm sure others on here can.erratic winds - 30-8-2011 at 10:06 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Powerws
eratic winds, about the stance, Is it most like the skateboard stance?
More of a snowboard-width stance, a little wider than a skateboard stance. Like any board sport-stance too narrow will limit you, too wide can hurt
you.flyguy0101 - 30-8-2011 at 10:19 AM
I love my trampa (works well for big guys im 225 and ride a 15ply)as well but would agree with most- look used first might want to check out the
dirtsurfing forum, i recently sold a deck on there and i know there were a couple of boards for sale. dont know much about rians board he is selling
but am sure it is in good shape and he is a decent guy to deal with if that board works for you. On a side note you are a bigger guy and i would
definitely look at a board with channel style trucks (ie 35% deck) vs skate trucks because as soon as you start jumping you will be bending skate
axles constantly, also realize that a beginner board is probably not gonna be stiff enough to hold your weight, which means expect to spend a little
more.Powerws - 30-8-2011 at 10:26 AM
Flyguy, great advice, I will be using it with my kite and do want to jump. What about the kite? will my fixed bridle kite work? I have a 3m and a 5m.
One more question? i thought the 35* was for speed? The 15* for freestyle? Are all of the boards the same length?flyguy0101 - 30-8-2011 at 10:35 AM
powers,
most mtn boards are for mtn boarding DUH:D but you really want a shorter board if you want to freestyle so trampa makes a short and long board in
either 15% or 35%- i ride a 35% short trampa with GI bionic trucks( the degrees are strictly for which trucks you use 15% skate 35% channel). mbs has
the core and comp models which i think are also shorter for kiting. as for jumping- slow down a little get some riding down with the 3 and 5 then
look to a depower ( i love my arcs) for jumping. I dont jump on anything smaller then my 12m and really prefer 16 or 18 when trying to go big much
easier on the knees.flyguy0101 - 30-8-2011 at 10:37 AM
Powers- if interested and there is wind i will be at my cabin near blacksburg va over labor day weekend if you want to check out some of my stuff.
Should have the 16m back from the repair shop
scottindigo_wolf - 30-8-2011 at 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by Powerws
One more question? i thought the 35* was for speed? The 15* for freestyle? Are all of the boards the same length?
Tip angle (~15° or ~35°) is a determined by the truck style (ATB skate or Channel) used. There can be a little variance here if riser pads
(essentially rubber wedges) are used. The larger tip angle provides more mechanical leverage for initiating turns with the channel style trucks that
either use elastomers or a combination of elastomers and springs. Not as much mechanical force is required to turn the ATB skate trucks whose turning
resistances is provided by a single rubber or polyurethane bushing.
Deck length is generally tied to riding style. Not a hard and fast rule, but longer board for cruising/speed... shorter board for freestyle. The
longer board tends to be more stable and soaks up surface irregularities. A shorter board has less rotational mass for doing spin based tricks and
aerial transitions. Assume exceptions to this like any rule of thumb.
A wider deck will also turn easier (all other factors being the same) also due to mechanical (leverage) advantage. However they sacrifice a little
bit of ground clearance while turning.
Hope that helps.... probably waaaay more than you wanted to know.
ATB,
Samshehatesmyhobbies - 30-8-2011 at 11:49 AM
Wes, Adam, Donnie and Scott will all be at WBB in October. WW will be filled with Trampas!erratic winds - 30-8-2011 at 12:16 PM
Oh, also, for the budget minded, the KHEO Kicker is a totally decent starting board.Drewculous - 30-8-2011 at 12:24 PM
If the wind would blow..... Id be shredding with a mbs... Better than my old flexi.... Gotta save up for that trampa thoPHREERIDER - 30-8-2011 at 12:40 PM
for a bigger guy, like myself
your will want channel trucks, after skill development your handling will be lighter in the beginning you something thats not too fragile,
a little more deck with decent stance in the 40 inch range , nice deep set board for stability.
big feet come with big frames so don't be afraid to move the bindings a bit. a simple drill will save a broken ankle! (a great board can come with
crappy binding set up)
the shorter, taller set, flat free style boards are more "SKATEBOARD" like , for basic roll. hop and spins ESP> board off stuff are choice. BUT
still a little small for a big guy.
I like GI , though they are currently MIA, plenty of used junk to have fun on and old stock here and there.
THE commitment and use element is the next thing to consider. Go with fun and practical rather $$$ on some tweaky board that you hate and brakes
your foot and your bank. from SKATE to kite land boarding the feel difference is light and quick TO heavy and clunky(but smooths out with time and
use). most of the gear is for <160 lbs. DOWN HILL guys (with teenage bones).
an old GI.... CONFLICT, PATROL 106, AKONI
MBS.... 90pro, 95? super old core 16
SPACEMONKEY on PKF had a recent patrol for $300 , hard to beat thatPowerws - 30-8-2011 at 01:07 PM
Indigo, Not too much, with you all the way. I looked at a brand new MBS pro 90 on amazon for $358.00. Mbs site says this would be the best board for
me. I would have bought it but not sure what harness to use. Some say that the waist harness is better for ATB due to a higher contact point, however
I want one for the new buggy I will be buying at WWBB, and some say that the seat harness is better for Buggying, provided the buckle isn't in the
back or the sides. I guess I need to get two harnesses. One for ATB (waist) and one for buggying (Seat). Opinions?Powerws - 30-8-2011 at 02:07 PM
Do you have to have a harness starting out?B-Roc - 30-8-2011 at 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by Powerws
Do you have to have a harness starting out?
Only if you are flying depowers.
If starting out you should NOT use a harness on fixed bridles but you should use kite killers (though I don't think I would if I were in a buggy as
they can wrap around an axle if they are long).
When I was flying only fixed bridles, without a harness, I could go for about 1 - 3 hours before needing a break (more on ATB, less on skis) because
your forearms will fatigue.
Harnesses help but they aren't necessary if you aren't flying depowers and they really aren't recommended for starting out as when things go wrong the
go wrong fast and you don't want to be attached to a kite when things go wrong fast.
In my opinion, what you REALLY need is to slow down. Learn your kites and how to control them. Learn to buggy or board with your current kites and
how to control the kites and buggy / board. Try some gear at WWBB maybe even some harnesses - they feel way different under load then just on you.
Then you can make an informed decision.
Trying to learn to fly, buggy, board, hook-in, all at once is way too much. Slow down. The winds and beaches aren't going anywhere. Figure out what
you need and then buy it.
That's just my $0.02.indigo_wolf - 30-8-2011 at 02:25 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Powerws
I guess I need to get two harnesses. One for ATB (waist) and one for buggying (Seat). Opinions?
Firstly, +1 regarding B-Roc's comment about only needing a harness if you are starting out on a depower.
If you really want two or more harnesses go for it. However, you might consider an Ocean Rodeo Session Harness. It is a hybrid Harness. It's
essentially like a waist harness, but has padded leg straps that can be worn or removed. The Session II is a tad spendy at ~$210.
The Session I (last year's model, but very, very similar) was on clearance/closeout throughout the summer at $110 shipped directly from Ocean Rodeo,
but sadly they only have it in Size XL (Waist Size 40"-44") now.
ATB,
SamBladerunner - 30-8-2011 at 04:54 PM
This board is all the board you need and at a price that is driving me crazy !
hardrock is still trying to move his GI Flight for 200$ a GREAT deal....frankly it's the exact sort of deal you're looking for.
NOW, I know the feeling of BUY BUY BUY, but seriously, we really want you to TRY TRY TRY! and find out what you really want before you end up with
some gear that's not quite what you wanted, such an occurrence can really spoil a person on the sport.B-Roc - 30-8-2011 at 05:07 PM
I ride a Prodigy and I would not think it very good for someone who is 6', 215#s. Lovely board but not well suited for the bigger folk.erratic winds - 30-8-2011 at 05:10 PM
I started on a prodigy when I was 6'1" 215ish...if you ride a narrowish stance then it's perfect. But for most people it will be a bit small. I ride
my AK because the stance is 3.5" wider, a huge difference. (also, kiting has me down to 180, woot woot dropping near 40lbs does a wonder for low-end
power LOL)Powerws - 31-8-2011 at 11:39 AM
I'm going with Trampas!WELDNGOD - 31-8-2011 at 12:05 PM
come to the dark side.....:evil:WELDNGOD - 31-8-2011 at 12:07 PM
mine cost $666 and I was US customer #13... How weird is that?erratic winds - 31-8-2011 at 02:53 PM
Wait, wait.
No kite experience at all yet, and decided to drop 600+ on a ATB deck? I'm not trying to rain on ya, I just don't want to see another brand-new
person drop a bunch of cash and THEN figure out what they want to ride. It might turn out you love the water and never want to ride the land. It might
turn out you love the speed of a buggy. It might turn out that you break your leg horribly on your first flight, and you quit the sport.(True story
of a forum user)
Please demo some stuff before you explode your bank account on something you might not love.
I think most of us here have had a situation where we bought something without knowing if it was for us, and yup, turns out it wasn't for us.Powerws - 31-8-2011 at 03:06 PM
weldngod, Where did you buy yours from.indigo_wolf - 31-8-2011 at 03:12 PM
Post #7
Quote:
Originally posted by WELDNGOD here is where I got mine from http://trampa.mountainboard.net/ they got some info on there too. I got mine custom made instead of what they have ready to go. They
ain't cheap though...
ATB,
SamWELDNGOD - 31-8-2011 at 07:08 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by erratic winds
Wait, wait.
No kite experience at all yet, and decided to drop 600+ on a ATB deck?
You don't yet know what it feels like to get SLAMMED to
the ground at 35 mph! You might not like wondering if the feeling of your guts trying to come out your butthole is a problem afterwards... you just
never know. I seriously had to consider internal injuries one day. Crashing from a verticle position sux!:wee:erratic winds - 31-8-2011 at 08:20 PM
Yeah, that's exactly the sort of thing I wear two layers of ass-armor for.Powerws - 31-8-2011 at 09:26 PM
I appreciate your concerns! You are talking to a guy that took my YZ450F to Durhamtown Plantation and hit a 125 foot jump at 50 MPH. I've had both my
ankles broken 4 times each, both wrists 4 times times each, I had an ostiotemy, broken tibia and fibia, seperated clavical and a few others. I'm an
extreme athelete and i'm 41 years old. I know what its like to have my guts coming out my *-s hole, believe me. I will probably buy a buggy, an atb
and some kite surfing gear eventually. if I dont like it ill sell it. But usually keep my toys. All of you have been a great help and I respect you
all. I will take your advice to heart and weigh my options. Thanks again, and I'm sure our paths will cross eventually. W3B-Roc - 1-9-2011 at 06:06 AM
I like Powerws
Guy decides this is what he wants to do and he's going full throttle buying kites, boards, buggies. This one guy is doing his part to help the kite
economy recover - don't discourage that
And besideds ain't a man among us who wishes we had the money to do exactly what he is doing. If he buys top gear because he can and decides he
doesn't like it, more power to him but we all know anyone who tries this sport and doesn't get hurt likes it.
While I still think its to your best interest to slow down and try a few things at WW so you can buy what you know you like, I say so long as you can
afford to do what you do and are physically able and not constrained by a wife, kids or work... Rock on!!!
:wee:Powerws - 1-9-2011 at 11:17 AM
U da man FLY GUY! The one benefit to me getting great gear, is that if it doesn't work out for me, there is smoe sweet gear for sale, CHEAPER! Thanks
again and We will be seeing you all at WW. W3elnica - 8-11-2011 at 10:37 PM
Not sure if this would fit you, they have L and XL. but it's a steal if it does. $40 for a $120 dakine renegade waist harness.
