Power Kite Forum

Shortening leader lines w/ pigtails

dandre - 8-11-2011 at 05:55 AM

Can someone post a picture w/ a little blurb of info so I can understand exactly what this entails?

I think pigtails and I see a little girl on her way to school. :fail:

dandre - 8-11-2011 at 07:13 AM

NVM, I taught myself to fish.

PHREERIDER - 8-11-2011 at 07:38 AM

priceless...

a wind of change has a shop site has a tutorial on line stuff..

basically make a loop, resulting in the desired length, and square knot the ends.

dacron poly, paracord. make sure that the lines within the knot lay parallel and smooth. paracord definitely a second choice. amsteel line is the industries choice if availible. i use dacron poly, 17 cents a foot and makes great sleeving as well.

and just a check on direction, ... adding pigtails lengthens a line , usually rear lines at the kite end, not shorten.

dandre - 8-11-2011 at 07:42 AM

so this won't work?



I only need to take off about 3-4 inches on each side. The lines more than likely got stretched, they sag when flying, while the brake is taught regardless of pull on the bar. I could extend the brake lines I suppose; but the problem seems to be leader stretch. I'd rather correct an issue than over compensate and create another.

PHREERIDER - 8-11-2011 at 08:33 AM

http://members.cox.net/maggiekite/knot/knottedloop.html

burn the ends to make it tidy. this is a pigtail. can be made as short about 2" is as short as can be effective made with 1/8 dacron pict'd here and as long as you need.

PHREERIDER - 8-11-2011 at 08:36 AM

it can be used to KOOK proof line attachments and add LENGTH.

knots added to the leader at the bar end will give means to shorten. nothing to do with pigtails

PHREERIDER - 8-11-2011 at 08:44 AM

http://www.powerkiteforum.com/gallery_image.php?action=view&...

this is a gratuitous image shot ...BUT note the bar end leaders from the END of the bar they go up and have knots along the line so you larks head on at a lower or higher point. the excess above the knot just dangles . this is a means of shortening easily in the field. they can be inverted where the knots are even closer to the bar if you choose.

this is a easy shortening step

indigo_wolf - 8-11-2011 at 09:25 AM

Pictures = 1K words, moving pictures = 100K words :lol:

http://www.cautionkites.com/vid/vid.index.nb.pigtail.php

ATB,
Sam

PHREERIDER - 8-11-2011 at 09:41 AM

thanks Sam ....and to supplement that "over hand" or FIG. 8 is fine. the fig. 8 is claimed to preserve line strength rating better esp. in the stopper knot use. prolly TMI but ... i like cautions disclaimer and as myself i am for entertainment purpose only, hence the gratuitous image with gravity check action.

Scudley - 8-11-2011 at 09:41 AM

Make your pigtails longer than you currently need. Your power lines will continue to "creep" and you will soon need longer pigtails.
Newbies: Don't cut off that extra brake line at the bridal on your new kite. You will eventually need that extra line.
S

PHREERIDER - 8-11-2011 at 09:43 AM

true dat SCUD

dandre - 8-11-2011 at 10:54 AM

so the consensus is extending the brake lines instead of shortening the leader?

kitedelight - 8-11-2011 at 11:06 AM

depending on which kite it is...if its your FS, then you have a different route, there is a black rope above your trimmer that you can shorten, which brings in the front lines.

dandre - 8-11-2011 at 12:06 PM

nah, sabre. good to know about the FS though, thank you.
btw thank you indigo for the video, that learned me real quickness.

Kamikuza - 8-11-2011 at 05:12 PM

What kite?
With depowers, you can meddle with the front lines ... with fixed bridles, you need to do something else ...

Feyd - 9-11-2011 at 03:45 AM

Saber 1 or 2?

The Saber 2 has a ton of extra center line below the trim. I would start there. It took me a while to find the sweet spot for me on my 12 and 7m but I got it eventually. More bar throw and faster turning all by lengthening that center line.

The Saber 1 on the other hand turned on a dime and out flew every other depow foil I saw at the time. Beautiful kite until the vents started to shrink. Slingshot stepped up and replaced the kite with a Saber 2 and sent it from the UK express mail.

Talk about standing behind your product.:singing:

dandre - 9-11-2011 at 04:44 AM

sabre 2

PHREERIDER - 9-11-2011 at 06:32 AM

nice unit , should be all at the trim for you. knots are already there on stock bar end leader lines.

get moving, trim it in about half way and slowly let it out as you ride. as you get going if its TOO much pull more in. you r gonna get a ton use with the 9.5

indigo_wolf - 9-11-2011 at 06:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Feyd
The Saber 1 on the other hand turned on a dime and out flew every other depow foil I saw at the time. Beautiful kite until the vents started to shrink. Slingshot stepped up and replaced the kite with a Saber 2 and sent it from the UK express mail.

Talk about standing behind your product.:singing:


How the heck did that work?!?! :puzzled:

I thought Sabres were Flexifoil. Standing behind someone else's product would certainly be very impressive though. :lol:

ATB,
Sam

PHREERIDER - 9-11-2011 at 07:09 AM

thought the same , but its early