Should i pull the trigger on this?

so honest opinions... should i pull the trigger on this


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color 001... yellow goodness

16m

do want water this summer... almost bought one last year, and its bugging me that i didnt. I want it for go fast buggy, and the water. (and of course big air :D )Let me know!

yes or no...

new phantom or charger i guess.... wait is prolly used incorrectly lol

There's too much gun control.... pull the trigger.

ATB,
Sam

Instead of thinking Charger, maybe you should go Venom.
I'm not saying this through self experience but from what I read/hear other's saying.
You already know ARCs and you know how easy/reliable they are so, why not get your hands on an ARC that was made for water?

Phantom's (and it's follow up Scorpion's) are landbased ARCs and that's where they excel. They're a real pain to relaunch on land I and can only imagine the nightmare on water. (Maybe I'm being a bit noob and an expert will say the opposite). But even so, there's a few people that fly/flown them on water.

Of course, if the winds are right, ARCs tend to have the habbit of staying in the air (:wee so relaunch is something that isn't required to do but if it does, then go for one that's user friendly.

Take in consideration that I never went water nor flown a LEI and this IMHO.


@Feyd
Regarding the P2, can you give it's AR or is it still in God's secrecy, :D


Regards to all

I like mine - even more now I moved the bridle to the faster steering setting I like it best from 15 to 25 knots so I can ride my smallest board on our choppy lake but I'm a fat bastard :piggy:
I could probably ride ok from 10-12 knots on the big board if I had flat water but it's no fun till about 18 - big jumps!

I've hurt myself more on things like falling over a foot or so above the water and being yarded - if you go up ok and can't land coming down, the splash-downs are usually very gentle... see my "Learning to fly" youtube :D

The yellow is more like a neon yellow IRL too. Looks good though! I prefer the blue and orange but that wasn't an option when I got mine...

I dunno if you'll kiteloop with the 16 but that's a way off yet unless you chilli-powered keewees are particularly massive!

Final words - parS-P-A-M-L-I-N-K-n'ride, easy learning.

I think you will be very overpowered with a 16m xbow in the buggy. The 13m is my low wind kite from 10-17mph although I've used it up to 26mph. It has monster pull and lift.

If you want to kite loop then forget it. There are far quicker kites out there.
Hand on heart they are brilliant buggy engines. 7m - 9m are fast!

But here's another option.

I just bought myself a Genetrix Hydra 7m. Out and out race kite with Huge huge wind range -
22mph (BFT 5) to just over 63mph or storm force 10! and that's based on a 75Kg rider on water.
This kite currently holds the world speed sailing record. Sebastien Cattelan was the first to 55Knts Sabastien Cattelan 1st to 55 and the kite and bag bares his signature.

The best bit is the price. I paid £795 or $1,235 ready to fly. It even comes with a pump and sand bag.

I flew it for the first time on Wednesday and it's perfection. Bridles attached to the struts and this kite loops!

Checkout my YouTube video of it. No action to be found here just me unpacking it and pumping it up.

Genetrix Hydra

I might have another video of it on the beach 2mrw.

Not to confuse the situation or make it more complicated but....

I know there are people out the who either have or still do ride Phantom 1's and definately Scorps on water regularly. The Phantom I could see but Scorps bleed air so fast I couldn't imagine but if you have steady wind and you never drop it I guess it's not a problem.

But bear in mind, the Phantom 2 IS NOT LIKE THE PHANTOM 1. And I can't disclose the AR of the Phantom 2 but it is close in AR to the Scorp. The question you have to ask yourself is on which side? More AR or less?

I will say I liked my Scorps but the Phantom 2 out rides the Scorp hands down. I had the 15m out yesterday in, no joke, 0-5 gusting to 30mph. I was either standing still just keepeing the wing in the air or completely lit going 45mph punching through whales 2' high. Usually conditions I don't want anything to do with but the Ph2 actually made it fun.

The expirience with the Charger could have been a combination or irregularities in the wing since repair and you're lack of familiarity with the wing. The 19m is not the best size to try to get a Charge feel. That said I would not have been as happy on my Charger yesterday.

I'm not sure if the Phantom 2 is going to be "land based" like the Scorp. It holds air forever like a water based Arc.

It's too bad you can't demo these kites somewhere. That would make this easy.

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Originally posted by Drewculous so honest opinions... should i pull the trigger on this __ __ color 001... yellow goodness 16m do want water this summer... almost bought one last year, and its bugging me that i didnt. I want it for go fast buggy, and the water. (and of course big air :D )Let me know! yes or no...

you answered your own question when you said "almost bought one last year, and ITS BUGGING ME THAT I DIDNT"

@tridude... I never believe those "13 that has the power of a 15" comments

Yeah if you say so usually it means "compared to the last crappy 15m C kites I rode in crappy wind" or "pulled me downwind like a truck"

I nearly bought a 17 Argo but got the S3 instead... still would like to try one though eh!

well you can tune the argo for downys or upwind much like the Wainmans............I dont fly c kites and Im an upwind monster strapped or strapless...........reminder I actually do know how to ride on water...........:duh:

:D yeah I know... I'm still suspicious though... part of my nature I guess