Power Kite Forum

Staging Area 3

deanaoxo - 19-3-2012 at 09:14 AM

Folks, please share this with everyone, and put it on the forum's. We need your help. Could you please write Michael Ahrens mahrens@blm.gov
or call 760-326-7031 and ask that we be put at staging area 3!

Here is a sample letter you could write: Dear BLM,

please return us to staging area 3.

It's been 6 long years and I may not be able to attend another event.

The lake surface is far smoother in the lower staging area. We know you made a mistake, please expedite this and make it happen this year before our event!

It's just a command decision that needs to be made!

Sincerely,

markite - 19-3-2012 at 09:27 AM

I've sent a note.

BeamerBob - 19-3-2012 at 09:37 AM

I have as well. Crafted my own words as a local.

bigkid - 19-3-2012 at 09:55 AM

not sure as to staging area 3? but with some understanding, I would be happy to help.
I have a hard time with signing a blank check:o

BeamerBob - 19-3-2012 at 10:18 AM

Jeff, this is the email I sent. Maybe it will help you understand a bit more.

Quote:
From email sent by BeamerBob
I am Bobby Muse of Henderson, NV and am a permit holder to use Ivanpah Dry Lake for kite buggying. I very much enjoy the easier access to all the lakebed has to offer when I park at staging area 3. The lakebed is smoother there. It is easier to get back to camp while accessing more of the lakebed in typical SW wind conditions. A benefit to having group events stage at area 3 would be to make the activity less visible from the interstate, hopefully lessening the presence of sightseers coming to find out what is going on there, possibly endangering participants and the lakebed itself. I've only been coming to Ivanpah since 2010 and don't understand why the limitations were put in place to begin with but would encourage a change be made to allow the NALSA and NABX event to gather at staging area 3.

ripsessionkites - 19-3-2012 at 10:44 AM

done

Coolbreeze - 19-3-2012 at 11:02 AM

Done.:thumbup:

chris - 19-3-2012 at 11:05 AM

done

bigkid - 19-3-2012 at 11:20 AM

Where do we park now?
I always place an X on the map to show where the treasure is buried, or area 3.:thumbup:

BeamerBob - 19-3-2012 at 11:48 AM

In 2010 and 2011, we staged at parking area 2.

kite killer - 19-3-2012 at 12:06 PM

O.K. did it!

bigkid - 19-3-2012 at 12:16 PM

now that wasn't hard was it? :lol:

Done. :thumbup:

awindofchange - 19-3-2012 at 03:31 PM

Dean,

Does this mean you are not going to be using the tent that is there for the Land Sailors? It is a long haul from staging area 3 up to where the tent will be.

deanaoxo - 19-3-2012 at 03:49 PM

Everything we do is in conjunction with NALSA.

We are trying to get the big white tent placed at staging area three.

If i had not been at the hospital all day I would have been more proactive. The possibility of us being able to do this has just come up. I'm sorry I have not been able to tell more of the story but it has been going on for years, and is a mistake.

Anyone that wants to see the map, email me, and maybe one of you knows how to put it on here, i have never been successful with posting a picture on this forum.

Any questions, please email or call me. If i don't respond quick enough to your email, call me, i'm on the porch, with ice on my knee.

thank you.



Quote:
Originally posted by awindofchange
Dean,

Does this mean you are not going to be using the tent that is there for the Land Sailors? It is a long haul from staging area 3 up to where the tent will be.

BeamerBob - 19-3-2012 at 05:04 PM

Area 3 is on south on the lake about the same distance as between 1 and 2.


pokitetrash - 19-3-2012 at 05:31 PM

Done!

Morrie Williams - 19-3-2012 at 07:05 PM

Here's the map Dean asked me to post:

DWMA line.JPG - 138kB

Timeflyz - 19-3-2012 at 08:45 PM

E-mail sent!

deanaoxo - 19-3-2012 at 08:50 PM

Thanks all, I'll post an update in the morning(pacific time)after talking to Kent Hatch with NALSA.

aoxosoonoxoa

Bladerunner - 20-3-2012 at 06:56 AM

Done

waltweb - 20-3-2012 at 03:50 PM

E-mail sent

g00fba11 - 20-3-2012 at 04:50 PM

Better late than never..... Sent......

arkay - 21-3-2012 at 06:55 PM

sent

kitemaker4 - 21-3-2012 at 07:08 PM

Done a few days ago just forgot to post done.

Susan (npw goddess)

popeyethewelder - 22-3-2012 at 04:39 AM

Done here

deanaoxo - 22-3-2012 at 06:38 PM

Sadly our efforts were for naught.

We will revisit this again after the event and try our best to get this resolved for next year. 6 years of this silliness is more than enough.

Aoxo~soon~!~

arkay - 23-3-2012 at 12:09 AM

Dean and all thanks for your efforts! Where will we be 2 east?

deanaoxo - 23-3-2012 at 09:39 AM

Yup, we will be at staging area 2. The lake bed is reported to be pretty rough there, so it will make sense to use the lower, wider part of the lake.

Although the Federal Register has Ivanpah Dry Lake down as a haven for wind powered vehicles, the BLM has not got the memo that we should be treated like respected friends of the lake.

How, why or for what reason this ridiculous error can be continually compounded is beyond me. It seems that a simple executive decision backed by fact would resolve this issue.

We all understand that mistakes get made. Fine. But to penalize the main users of the lake bed, who travel millions of collective miles to get there, year after year, makes 0 sense to me.

I will admit that I may not be the smartest person around, but it just seems that this should not be the problem that it has turned into.

Meanwhile, as usual, we will make the best of the situation. We will run a leave no trace, leave it better than we found it, enjoy each others company, respect the BLM and their rules event.

It just would seem that making us partners would behoove everyone involved.

aoxo~sought~!~

Bladerunner - 23-3-2012 at 04:58 PM

The folks on ATB and Blades are very effected by this.

2 years ago I came home with " black toe " from pounding into the bumps near camp all week. Last year I tried to get away to smoother ground but still messed my toe up pretty good coming and going.

The freestyle ATB folks need to stay near camp in case of injury. They to are forced to ride rough ( less safe ) terrain when it doesn't need to be that way.

Is area 3 where the land sailors set up after we arrive ? So smooth there but I try and stay out of their way.

arkay - 23-3-2012 at 07:14 PM

I'll bring the tow bar and will tow atb'er in a trailered buggy :)

deanaoxo - 25-3-2012 at 05:34 PM

All permit holders have to set up where the BLM tells us to set up.

We share facilities with NALSA. NALSA will be gone by the time we get there, which is why we are over at Harper before the event.

There will be some Blo-Kart activity during our event.


Quote:
Originally posted by Bladerunner
The folks on ATB and Blades are very effected by this.

2 years ago I came home with " black toe " from pounding into the bumps near camp all week. Last year I tried to get away to smoother ground but still messed my toe up pretty good coming and going.

The freestyle ATB folks need to stay near camp in case of injury. They to are forced to ride rough ( less safe ) terrain when it doesn't need to be that way.

Is area 3 where the land sailors set up after we arrive ? So smooth there but I try and stay out of their way.

BeamerBob - 25-3-2012 at 06:07 PM

Just got home from Ivanpah and the NALSA crew are there and so is the tent. The surface where I rode (at area 3) was smooth in most spots and sort of rough in others. Just pick your smooth area and stay in it if smooth is much better for you.

I guess the NALSA crew don't include us in their brotherhood. I waved with eye contact probably 10 times with never a nod or wave back. I'm not used to that out there or with buggiers.

pokitetrash - 26-3-2012 at 07:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BeamerBob
I guess the NALSA crew don't include us in their brotherhood. I waved with eye contact probably 10 times with never a nod or wave back. I'm not used to that out there or with buggiers.


I promise to wave if I pass you while in my Blokart next week... Oh wait--I've seen your PB posts! :shocked2: Maybe they have too! :mad: LOL.

g00fba11 - 26-3-2012 at 10:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BeamerBob
I guess the NALSA crew don't include us in their brotherhood. I waved with eye contact probably 10 times with never a nod or wave back. I'm not used to that out there or with buggiers.



Sounds like some of the kitesurfers I ran into in Michigan this past summer. If you weren't flying an LEI on the water barefoot on a surfboard they didn't even want to look at you......

deanaoxo - 26-3-2012 at 01:21 PM

Don't worry, they are the lords of the lake, invented all things to do with the wind, and have the blessing of the wind gods personally.

Indavidually they are not bad. As a group, they will freeze any thing that is not the same as them, OUT.

Dave Kennedy wanted to put a baby phone on their part of the lake at Elmers that said 'in case of kite buggy, break glass' due to an incident the rangers told us about, when the land sailors actually called the rangers to report that we were kite buggying on 'their' part of the lake. True story.

Remember, we don't worry about them, and now, waving at them gives me great joy, as they never wave back, causing me to wave all the more!

So remember kids, we're the good guys, and if someone else's joy comes from being sour, let's help them out by being friendly. Nothing bothers a sour person more than good cheer.


Quote:
Originally posted by BeamerBob
Just got home from Ivanpah and the NALSA crew are there and so is the tent. The surface where I rode (at area 3) was smooth in most spots and sort of rough in others. Just pick your smooth area and stay in it if smooth is much better for you.

I guess the NALSA crew don't include us in their brotherhood. I waved with eye contact probably 10 times with never a nod or wave back. I'm not used to that out there or with buggiers.

BeamerBob - 26-3-2012 at 04:30 PM

Well, I waved at all of them (I'm from the southeast) but I only know of about 10 that I'm sure saw me. No navigation issues on head to head matchups, everyone went the easy way to pass. They will be gone by the time I get back.

Is "blessing of the wind gods" something I get through BLM or is there another channel to go through? :rolleyes: :cool2:

awindofchange - 26-3-2012 at 10:02 PM

I have lots of friends that land sail. Many of them ride side by side with me on the buggy and are very friendly. During the world cup, many of them haven't spent that much time on the lake bed and just like us buggiers, can be a little intimidated with the high speeds and hard surface. Many of them have also never seen or ridden around kite buggiers and don't know that much about them. Perhaps they don't realize that we have almost as much control as they do, or that we too can tack at different angles. If they feel we are making it hard for them to ride then they may have a little animosity towards us.

The playa is very large, give everyone plenty of room so they don't get worried. If it is someone you dont know, it may not be the best idea to race right up on them while they are riding. Instead, give plenty of space until they know you will not be an issue they may need to worry about.

Its not about Us and Them....its about all of us enjoying what the playa and wind offers us.

nocando - 26-3-2012 at 10:42 PM

Deano go meet the KIWI blokarters, I hooked up with them at the Hanging Tree last year, what a great bunch of blokes.

Mucho yarn tellin.

:bigok:

deanaoxo - 27-3-2012 at 05:36 AM

Blo Karters are not the same.

Never had any attitude from them at all.

Major attitude from the land sailors, although i interact with them every year, and get along fine individually.

Have spent hours on the phone over BLM stuff for sure.

Quote:
Originally posted by nocando
Deano go meet the KIWI blokarters, I hooked up with them at the Hanging Tree last year, what a great bunch of blokes.

Mucho yarn tellin.

:bigok:

BeamerBob - 27-3-2012 at 08:11 AM

I only interacted with 3-4 in riding scenarios and every time we both had easy solutions to our crossing paths and had our crossing worked out with 200 yards or more to spare. I never had an incident or conflict while riding around anyone, just noticed that despite my friendliness, I never got a return gesture of camaraderie from any of them while riding. We all put our pants on the same way every morning and heck we're at the greatest place in the world to ride the wind and are enjoying the wind and lakebed together. I was surprised that they seemed to either have issue with me being there or just don't like those that do things differently than them. Their problem, not mine.