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heliboy50 - 20-4-2013 at 06:42 PM

OK, First things first, I need to know how many people are interested in attending and what their preferred dates are. Keep in mind we experienced very nice conditions I think about 2nd week of October last year. So have at it gentlemen, what would your preferred dates be?

MDK - 20-4-2013 at 06:46 PM

Yep what you said!

MDK - 20-4-2013 at 07:08 PM

I am not sure why the landsailers choose the last week of september, still kind of hot and Josh and I know that they were cheated of good wind last year cuz we were there. then we were back two weeks later and it was good wind but still dusty, I was back two weeks after that and no dust and good wind, then I went back in November and it was cold zero dust and mild wind. maybe we ought to ask them what their track record has been? I know revpaul wants to incorporate with them but I personally would rather have cooler temps, less dust and good wind......3rd or 4th week of October? I realise the weather will vary, should we ask the landsailers?

heliboy50 - 20-4-2013 at 08:56 PM

While I definitely don't mind mingling with other wind power disciplines, I would really rather this be a buggy event. As for the dustiness, it really doesn't bother me other than it getting into electronics. Although I did find the baddest compressed air duster ever built- I'll post a pic when I get out of the hospital but its a valve on top of a paintball co2 tank. Works awesome and is refillable. Its a beautiful thing. Later in the month is better riding because with a little rain say the day before or even in the early morning the surface actually has a little more grip. Seems to help a rider hold a line better. @revpaul- I'll go in the heat but you end up hauling lot more gear. 3-4 times the amount of water as well as portable shade. That sun is brutal and relentless.

greasehopper - 21-4-2013 at 08:27 AM

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Originally posted by heliboy50
I'll go in the heat but you end up hauling lot more gear. 3-4 times the amount of water as well as portable shade. That sun is brutal and relentless.


Perfect, just like home for me. It's sounding better every time I check in.

WIllardTheGrey - 21-4-2013 at 09:59 AM

2nd or 3rd weekend would make it doable with my work.:duh:

revpaul - 21-4-2013 at 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by heliboy50
While I definitely don't mind mingling with other wind power disciplines, I would really rather this be a buggy event. As for the dustiness, it really doesn't bother me other than it getting into electronics. Although I did find the baddest compressed air duster ever built- I'll post a pic when I get out of the hospital but its a valve on top of a paintball co2 tank. Works awesome and is refillable. Its a beautiful thing. Later in the month is better riding because with a little rain say the day before or even in the early morning the surface actually has a little more grip. Seems to help a rider hold a line better. @revpaul- I'll go in the heat but you end up hauling lot more gear. 3-4 times the amount of water as well as portable shade. That sun is brutal and relentless.


-i really had no idea about the temps in early October vs later October but i do trust and respect your (and MDK) opinion(s) on that subject.
-the reason i want to be there when the landsailers are there is cuz that likely will be when i receive "the" boat (just like Ivanpah when i received my SiroccoX). getting some sailing tips and meeting the landsailing crew is bonus too and not an occasion I'll have often.
- ONE other big consideration for me is weather(snow/freezing rain)= extra fun fun fun driving on the major portion north leg of this journey.
the longer i wait to head off the more chances i'm going to hit the #@%$#!. This winter(2012/2013) started Oct 20 and is still going (snowed like a #@%$#! yesterday and the day before) strong. yesterday winds were 47 gusting 57 'Kp/h' but no open fields to 'play' play.
-late september early October does not worry me about bad weather driving.

I'd be interested to know why the landsailers plan for that time frame too but I'd bet they'd prefer to keep the date, at least for this year. I do wonder if they have the insight you two have or they just threw a dart at the calender and said yep..that's Alvord.

****Bottom line is this...****
I'd like to put faces to the PKF names here but landsailing is what i am stoked about nowadays.
*if i come alone i would not even have kite gear with me (i do not even have a kite buggy in my garage anymore [the Libre is on 'permanent' loan to a friend]. if my brother came with me (i doubt it though) he has two buggies we'd bring along but with a couple landsailers too.
i'd honestly prefer that you guys went to Avord(or anywhere) on a date that best suited yourselves for the good reasons you've stated.
I'd really feel like cr@p if a you guys did not do what you should on account of one odd man out...
Do not let my wining persuade your good common sense.
Paul

heliboy50 - 21-4-2013 at 10:35 AM

Oh, don't get me wrong there is no such thing as a bad trip out there, there are just some times of the year that are some times of the year that are better for buggying. The hot hot times like late June, July, August, and early September where it is really hit or miss. During these times you also have a lot of lightning induced and man made wild fires burning, which even from a couple of hundred miles away can have a pretty dramatic effect on air quality (ask MDK about that one!) The hot months are when you end up with that sunset blow that usually lasts for an hour or so, so you end up sitting around waiting for that all day. Not bad if you are in an rv or have a quad to play with, but downright miserable if you are just stuck in a tent the whole time.

revpaul - 21-4-2013 at 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by heliboy50
Oh, don't get me wrong there is no such thing as a bad trip out there, there are just some times of the year that are some times of the year that are better for buggying. The hot hot times like late June, July, August, and early September where it is really hit or miss. During these times you also have a lot of lightning induced and man made wild fires burning, which even from a couple of hundred miles away can have a pretty dramatic effect on air quality (ask MDK about that one!) The hot months are when you end up with that sunset blow that usually lasts for an hour or so, so you end up sitting around waiting for that all day. Not bad if you are in an rv or have a quad to play with, but downright miserable if you are just stuck in a tent the whole time.

yep... i do know of what you speak.
the first day at Ivanpah was cold but blowing real good mostly all day.
the next two days were mostly sit and wait but with no real sunset sails. the last day again mostly was sit and wait with the good hour or so of sunset sailing.

for what its worth Dave US226 told me that his trip to Alvord is not a Race thing.
i took that to mean there is no organized event that he and whomever he is with is aware or a part of.
I might talk with Dave some time soon to see how he picked the date for Alvord.
I haven't booked any time off just yet.
Later
Paul

heliboy50 - 21-4-2013 at 11:18 AM

Oh, little misunderstanding there Paul. In those hot summer months CeCe and I spent some time talking with some of the landsailers out there. There were times were would see them dead in the water just waiting for wind and others where they were up and cruising just fine. I think the biggest difference is that by and large the landsailers tend to be more along the lines of retiree aged people who have the time to go out and just spend a couple of weeks to wait for the right conditions to come up. Also, a great many of them have been going out there for more than 20 years so they know what to look for. As a buggy rider, I found it highly beneficial to pick their brains when I had the chance, lol. The funny thing is, they are shocked when they see how far up wind (almost dead into the wind we can go with our kites,) It is pretty fun to ride with them.

heliboy50 - 21-4-2013 at 12:42 PM

The plan at this point is to have a suggested equipment list, which I have almost completed on my computer at home (STILL in the hospital.......GRRRRRR), fueling locations-this far out this starts to be rather important, distances, and what's available and where, and a list of do's and definitely don't do's. So are we looking at the 2nd or 3rd week of October then? How about duration of the event? 5 days?

MDK - 21-4-2013 at 01:21 PM

we would probably come Wed and leave Sunday

WIllardTheGrey - 21-4-2013 at 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by MDK
we would probably come Wed and leave Sunday


Sounds perfect to me, 9th through the 13th of October.:wee:

Morrie Williams - 21-4-2013 at 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by revpaul
for what its worth Dave US226 told me that his trip to Alvord is not a Race thing.
i took that to mean there is no organized event that he and whomever he is with is aware or a part of.
I might talk with Dave some time soon to see how he picked the date for Alvord.


Is this Dave US226 a land sailor or buggier?

revpaul - 21-4-2013 at 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by heliboy50
Oh, little misunderstanding there Paul. In those hot summer months CeCe and I spent some time talking with some of the landsailers out there. There were times were would see them dead in the water just waiting for wind and others where they were up and cruising just fine. I think the biggest difference is that by and large the landsailers tend to be more along the lines of retiree aged people who have the time to go out and just spend a couple of weeks to wait for the right conditions to come up. Also, a great many of them have been going out there for more than 20 years so they know what to look for. As a buggy rider, I found it highly beneficial to pick their brains when I had the chance, lol. The funny thing is, they are shocked when they see how far up wind (almost dead into the wind we can go with our kites,) It is pretty fun to ride with them.

-not sure about what the misunderstanding is.
-retirees..yep.
i went to Ivanpah for the Sirocco Spring West owner's rally which just happens to normally coincide with NALSAs Americas Landsialing Cup.
As I strolled through the NALSA site I saw a very large portion of attendees were....well, old.
I'd guess these were the guys were involved in the sport in the 60-70s (before it died off) and are now the die-hards.
-Upwind performance is exactly why I'm looking for another boat.
I've told the story about the time I was skiing with a 12mPulseII. Me, working the hell out of the kite and myself just to stay close to the staging area and not making any fun speeds.
When I watch this guy on a 12m SpeedII cruise (hardly any sining), from way on the other side of the lake and right on by me, and heading so far upwind to staging area. WTF...at first, when I could only see the kite on the horizon, i thought the guy must be getting a tow in...nope....high AR.
Until that day I equated high AR kites to high speed/high power "Race instruments" and nothing I "needed" for my intents and purposes.
I knew high AR had better upwind performance but it never really sunk in until that day.
I quickly changed my thinking and added a couple of Speeds to the collection.
Well, the same exact damn thing happened at Ivanpah...
I was doing quite well on my new SiroccoX and was also watching the big and/or really different/cool looking boats around as well.
I realize on that big of a surface the wind direction can change and/or be in a different direction on different parts of the lake at the same time.
Anyhoo... I watched this Class5 (same size as my SiroccoX) heading hard upwind and at a nice speed. he came by me right close so we were both in the same wind.
I thought WTF and tried for the same heading but slowed to a crawl.
I kept my eye out after that and saw it again a few more times.
DONE...I'm looking for another boat...I did not even know what they were at the time but they were definitely different than my boats.
-Kite-buggier first...There was only one kite-buggier I saw and he was on a 5m (maybe bigger?) NASA. I was rooting for him but I never did meet him. He was at the NASA camp. It was nice to see him in amongst the landsailers.
Paul

revpaul - 21-4-2013 at 02:41 PM

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Originally posted by revpaul
for what its worth Dave US226 told me that his trip to Alvord is not a Race thing.
i took that to mean there is no organized event that he and whomever he is with is aware or a part of.
I might talk with Dave some time soon to see how he picked the date for Alvord.

Hi Morrie,
Is this Dave US226 a land sailor or buggier?

I don't know if he is a buggier too..maybe.
Dave Gluek.
I just know him as the fella that won the 2013 Americas Landsailing Cup's Sportsman Class on boat US226[an Airtrack].
I managed to contact him and he's been a super nice fella to me and has answered a tonne of questions from me.
Seems like a good guy to spend some time with doing some fun stuff.
Paul

heliboy50 - 21-4-2013 at 03:52 PM

@MDK- 16-20th of October then Mike?---- EDIT. Sorry, meds again. I like that I can blame them when I was just being a bonehead. :saint:

MDK - 21-4-2013 at 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by heliboy50
@MDK- 16-20th of October then Mike?---- EDIT. Sorry, meds again. I like that I can blame them when I was just being a bonehead. :saint:


that would be my first vote and the week before would be my second. but however it works best for others.

MDK - 21-4-2013 at 05:38 PM

Josh its a good thing we are getting all this in writing so when you when you're done with the pain meds you can come back and review everything :) I honestly can not believe you are working on organizing this in your condition :) taking away all our excuses, thats for sure :)

greasehopper - 21-4-2013 at 07:10 PM

I'll look at my schedule Monday but this is shaping up to be a worthy road trip for me.

MDK - 21-4-2013 at 07:28 PM

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I'll look at my schedule Monday but this is shaping up to be a worthy road trip for me.


good to hear! looking forward!

MDK - 21-4-2013 at 07:32 PM

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MDK - 21-4-2013 at 08:07 PM

Alvord: September 22nd 2012 low 50 high 90 deg (love this video BTW, thanks Josh) http://youtu.be/id7ShWuSZro

Alvord: October 14th 2012 low 45 high 75 deg (sorry a little long, + my first ride hooked in so a little boring :) ) http://youtu.be/aFVtJ26cHmE

Alvord: October 27th 2012 low around 35 high 55 deg no dust good wind http://youtu.be/W-EAShq20zo

Alvord: November 24th 2012 low 32 high 50 mild wind http://youtu.be/dCumFsVF-yI (Link Fixed)

heliboy50 - 21-4-2013 at 09:43 PM

@MDK- banged up or not this is something I committed to helping put together last year and I'll be healthy by then. It would do my heart right to ride there with a group of my friends and make some new ones along the way. Hurting pretty bad yes, but not broken my friend. So let's give it one more day for folks to get their 2¢ in on when they would like to see the event (looking like second or third week of October) and then go from there .

buggeyed - 21-4-2013 at 09:55 PM

Oct 14 is Canadian Thanksgiving so may give an extra day for anyone going down from Cnd.
I could probably make it any of the last three weekends in Oct.I would probably do the same as last year and travel down on Thurs.and leave late Sun or early Mon.
I remember last year the first fall weather system was coming through and gave us good winds.So I would say mid to late Oct would give the best chance of good winds.

heliboy50 - 22-4-2013 at 01:43 PM

I Wanted to make it a Monday to Sunday affair so it's looking like either the 2nd or 3rd week is the favored time frame. So all in favor of the 3rd week of October give me an "eye" post.

RedSky - 22-4-2013 at 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by MDK
Alvord: September 22nd 2012 low 50 high 90 deg (love this video BTW, thanks Josh) http://youtu.be/id7ShWuSZro

Alvord: October 14th 2012 low 45 high 75 deg (sorry a little long, + my first ride hooked in so a little boring :) ) http://youtu.be/aFVtJ26cHmE

Alvord: October 27th 2012 low around 35 high 55 deg no dust good wind http://youtu.be/W-EAShq20zo

Alvord: November 24th 2012 low 32 high 50 mild wind http://youtu.be/W-EAShq20zo


Hey Mike, those last two youtube links are the same.
Watched them again. I would like to do NABX and ABE next year. That would be great.

MDK - 22-4-2013 at 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by RedSky
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Originally posted by MDK
Alvord: September 22nd 2012 low 50 high 90 deg (love this video BTW, thanks Josh) http://youtu.be/id7ShWuSZro

Alvord: October 14th 2012 low 45 high 75 deg (sorry a little long, + my first ride hooked in so a little boring :) ) http://youtu.be/aFVtJ26cHmE

Alvord: October 27th 2012 low around 35 high 55 deg no dust good wind http://youtu.be/W-EAShq20zo

Alvord: November 24th 2012 low 32 high 50 mild wind http://youtu.be/W-EAShq20zo


Hey Mike, those last two youtube links are the same.
Watched them again. I would like to do NABX and ABE next year. That would be great.


Fixed, Thanks Tom, I think you should do both too :) love that graphic of you in your sig BTW, very nice :)

revpaul - 22-4-2013 at 04:15 PM

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Originally posted by MDK
Alvord: September 22nd 2012 low 50 high 90 deg (love this video BTW, thanks Josh) http://youtu.be/id7ShWuSZro

Alvord: October 14th 2012 low 45 high 75 deg (sorry a little long, + my first ride hooked in so a little boring :) ) http://youtu.be/aFVtJ26cHmE

Alvord: October 27th 2012 low around 35 high 55 deg no dust good wind http://youtu.be/W-EAShq20zo

Alvord: November 24th 2012 low 32 high 50 mild wind http://youtu.be/dCumFsVF-yI (Link Fixed)


real nice!!!
sent the link(s) to my brother to try and get some "road trip" stoke kindled.

heliboy50 - 22-4-2013 at 04:35 PM

Dates, guys dates. Permit to obtain, other stuff to set up. Or is this just not what you guys want to do?

MDK - 22-4-2013 at 04:42 PM

eye :)

BeamerBob - 22-4-2013 at 04:44 PM

I'll have to be in the "hope to join" group. No weekend have floated to the top of my schedule yet.

MDK - 22-4-2013 at 04:47 PM

Bobby, If you have to go another weekend, I will go so you're not alone. but lets hope it works out for you :)

RedSky - 22-4-2013 at 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by MDK
Fixed, Thanks Tom, I think you should do both too :) love that graphic of you in your sig BTW, very nice :)


Thanks. I'm happy with it, although the background colours keep changing on this forum oddly enough, so my 'centering technique' cover has been blown. :D

I gotta do both. No holiday this year. Instead I'll try my best to do NABX and MNABX (More Northerly American Buggy eXpo)

heliboy50 - 22-4-2013 at 05:19 PM

So the firm votes thus far are for at least part of the second week of October, so I think it is going to be the week of 10/7-10/13. It also sounds like most people will be showing up a little later in the week which gives me time to get things set up as far as a base camp tent. The plan as of now would be that registration would include dinner for the participant (I'm sure there will be left overs because our cooks always tend to over do it:smilegrin:), t-shirt, stickers, patch, and whatever else we come up with for goodies, lol. And rest assured, it will not be much of a fee, I just can't afford to go out of pocket for it. The cook stove will also be available for use during off times in the event tent for those that need a way to cook food with a little less dust in it, though a little help with propane refills may be necessary. Also in the tent will be a sign in/out board which we would highly encourage riders to use.


It will be a NAPKA event, so if you are not a NAPKA member there will be an additional fee which will simply be the one year fee for membership for them. We will be able scan and e-mail membership forms as well as make the required number plates onsite so not a problem there. All they require from participants at their events is number plates, membership, and helmets.

MDK - 22-4-2013 at 05:25 PM

on the subject of plates, mine are not necessarily done to NAPKA specs, will I need to put something over them? or will it matter? I am a member BTW

heliboy50 - 22-4-2013 at 05:42 PM

We aren't in Europe, so it doesn't matter Mike. It's more for people who don't have anything and they would be the laminated cardstock style. If you have regular plates with your number you are fine. Rich told me it was really for large events to be able to identify riders from a distance (mostly for bad behavior:lol:) Don't think we'll have to worry about that.

Morrie Williams - 22-4-2013 at 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by heliboy50
So the firm votes thus far are for at least part of the second week of October, so I think it is going to be the week of 10/7-10/13. It also sounds like most people will be showing up a little later in the week which gives me time to get things set up as far as a base camp tent.


When do you plan to arrive? I can work things so I'll be there too and give you a hand setting things up.

MDK - 22-4-2013 at 08:25 PM

If work allows, I will come early too and christi can bring the kids later in the week.

heliboy50 - 22-4-2013 at 08:38 PM

That would be awesome Morrie. I need to verify some vacation availability (especially after missing so much time with my injury) as well as time away from school if I'm enrolled in anything at that point. I won a millwright/electrician apprentice bid at work so my scheduling may be a little funny. The plan would be to arrive Monday morning and get things set up. Wont take much- a couple of the tents like we use at SOBB, couple of tables, etc.. If I can't be there at the beginning of the week, there will be a couple of others involved in organizing the event that will be, so we'll get it handled. If you are there, you can just accept NAPKA waivers in person, cant you? If I had the jpg file for the card I could make those there as well. Nice thing to offer for new members.

Morrie Williams - 23-4-2013 at 07:37 AM

Josh, do you have GPS co-ords of planned camp location? I may come in the day before. It's a little farther for me!

heliboy50 - 23-4-2013 at 01:07 PM

I hadn't figured got sure where yet Morrie, most folks don't like to camp east side like I do because it comes with some obvious extra risks. let me think on that one, but I'm thinking just a half mile or som south of the approach. Easy for later arrivals to see from the road.

Morrie Williams - 24-4-2013 at 08:01 AM

That's where we used to camp, a little south of the spring on the hill. NOT the hot springs up north.

heliboy50 - 24-4-2013 at 12:31 PM

Not sure we are spreading of the same place, we'll Google earth and compare notes at bsbb. sound like a plan?

WIllardTheGrey - 24-4-2013 at 12:37 PM

Just requested my time off. Leave Florence the 9th return on the 13th or 14th.:cool:

heliboy50 - 24-4-2013 at 12:56 PM

You are in for something truly special my friend. It's funny but I get excited just being there with someone when they see it the first time. It makes the drive seem really not too bad.

Morrie Williams - 24-4-2013 at 04:29 PM

I heard this morning that the county received a grant to finish the paving of the road. Maybe by fall there will be NO gravel road left.

Apparently BLM or the State has given someone the concession for the hot springs. A camping area and upgrade to the tubs are supposed to be in the offing. A charge of $5 is planned.

The location I was talking about is on the west side of the lake, maybe 1/2 mile north of the house up from the shore. That isn't Carl's place at the entrance to the lake. There's only 2 houses on the western side of the lake.

heliboy50 - 24-4-2013 at 04:57 PM

They are already charging at the springs and locals range from irritated to downright pi$$ed. They are not pleased with the break from tradition at all. Part of the attraction was "look what is out here for all to enjoy." The guy at the springs is planning a small store, camping, and maybe some other stuff. People are not happy with the fee because he hasn't made any improvements to the actual shack at the spring. Still got the nice bullet hole ridden corrugated metal ambiance, :D

greasehopper - 24-4-2013 at 08:01 PM

I'm in. I'll head up the evening of the 8th and see how far I can get that first night. It should be a cake walk to show up mid-day on the 9th, play through the weekend and head back south sometime Monday.

MDK - 24-4-2013 at 09:35 PM

Pavement sounds great since the RV is not fond of dirt roads, but I would be happy if they would just maintain the access road down to the lakebed, a little white knuckle in a 30' RV with a trailer :)

MDK - 24-4-2013 at 09:37 PM

Morrie, was that pavement all the way through? I come in from the north end

heliboy50 - 24-4-2013 at 11:16 PM

The first responder showed us a better approach road mike. You can drive right past that dudes house a few hundred yards up. You know the one that has the bright lights on all the time at night? That's not his road, his driveway comes off of that. It's way smooth. Nice to know people in the know now. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

MDK - 25-4-2013 at 07:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by heliboy50  
The first responder showed us a better approach road mike. You can drive right past that dudes house a few hundred yards up. You know the one that has the bright lights on all the time at night? That's not his road, his driveway comes off of that. It's way smooth. Nice to know people in the know now. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:


Nice, will be headed over in two weeks, will need to check it out, if I can find it :)

Morrie Williams - 25-4-2013 at 07:50 AM

The road is supposed to be paved from 10 miles south of the lake to 30 miles north of the lake sometime this year. That would give a fully paved road from Fields north to Burns Junction.

The GOOD approach Josh is talking about to the north goes by Karl's driveway (Karl passed away a few years back). There is or was a big mailbox on the main road to mark it. The mail box is at N 42.520117°, W 118.531283°.

The BAD approach comes down past the spring on the hill. It's about a mile or so south of the good approach. We had to go out that approach one year when we had 2" of water on the lake due to rain storm. It was a real adventure!

Here's the location we camped at a few years back N 42.498950°, W 118.529650°. FYI elevation is 4,042 feet.

heliboy50 - 25-4-2013 at 06:39 PM

See Morrie, we've only used the bad approach near the spring, that is if it's the one that you can get mountain runoff for drinking water that you are talking about. The one with the big round gravel area that's like a turn around.

-EDIT- And I take the kia with a trailer even, not to mention making Mike do it in a 30' motorhome with a trailer in the dark. Oops, maybe you guys shouldn't follow me :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

MDK - 25-4-2013 at 06:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by heliboy50  
See Morrie, we've only used the bad approach near the spring, that is if it's the one that you can get mountain runoff for drinking water that you are talking about. The one with the big round gravel area that's like a turn around.

-EDIT- And I take the kia with a trailer even, not to mention making Mike do it in a 30' motorhome with a trailer in the dark. Oops, maybe you guys shouldn't follow me :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Haha that was nuts for sure, and the 60 MPH across the lake bed to the east side in the dark! that was nuts! certainly tested my comfort zone :) but we had a great time! really enjoyed that camp with you guys!

heliboy50 - 25-4-2013 at 08:12 PM

Never a dull moment when you hang out with Josh, Mike. :D And it was a blast. I have a quad now too so we can race. Raptor 660r bored to a 686. Hee Hee. :o

Morrie Williams - 26-4-2013 at 08:19 AM

Hey Josh, since you have time on your hands look at http://www.rainbowsendcam.com/nwbpa/index.htm. There are several articles on trips to Alvord.

utahtami - 29-4-2013 at 07:38 AM

Trying to crunch numbers, any advice on route from Salt Lake City or route from (renting RV in) Boise?

Thanks:eureka:

MDK - 29-4-2013 at 10:33 AM

Quote: Originally posted by utahtami  
Trying to crunch numbers, any advice on route from Salt Lake City or route from (renting RV in) Boise?

Thanks:eureka:


From Boise

From Salt Lake City

Morrie Williams - 29-4-2013 at 04:20 PM

MDK - When you come from Idaho, do you come in from the south thru Fields or do you come in from the north?

When I map it from Boise it takes me thru Fields, but I swear there used to be guys from the Boise area that came in from the north.

utahtami - 29-4-2013 at 05:11 PM

How far is the buggy site from Burns?

MDK - 29-4-2013 at 06:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Morrie Williams  
MDK - When you come from Idaho, do you come in from the south thru Fields or do you come in from the north?

When I map it from Boise it takes me thru Fields, but I swear there used to be guys from the Boise area that came in from the north.


I come from the north like the link shows from Boise, Only I come from Weiser Idaho, Ontario Oregon area. it takes nearly two hours off the drive. the drawback has been the 30 miles of dirt road but it sounds like that will no longer be an issue :)

heliboy50 - 29-4-2013 at 06:32 PM

120 miles if you take the 205-wildlife preserve route which currently has the most paved roads. I think it's about 45 minutes shorter if you go ors78 (I think that's what it's called) but that route at least at present puts you on gravel roads for about 20 more miles I believe.

WIllardTheGrey - 13-6-2013 at 01:25 PM

:( Looks like I will not be making it unless the finances change. I had an accident when driving a friends truck and feel that it is my responsibility to in the least pay the deductible. Good news, nobody was hurt.

bigkid - 13-6-2013 at 01:55 PM

You are a good man, and glad to hear you are OK.:thumbup:

heliboy50 - 19-6-2013 at 12:00 PM

Glad you are ok, that looks like it could have been very bad. We'll miss you out there, but it isn't going any where. I know some guys who are making it a regular thing, I'm sure somebody wouldn't mind making an extra trip with you (hint hint. :D )

BeamerBob - 29-8-2013 at 04:45 PM

What's the wind and Lakebed situation at Alvord this time of year? I have a weekend set aside for some buggying the weekend of the 6th and everything is soggy in this part of the country. I'm considering making the trek to Alvord since I won't be able to make it in October. I also would hope some others might join me there for the safety and fun of comrades.

Morrie Williams - 29-8-2013 at 06:29 PM

Have some friends there right now. They should be back just after the 2nd. Will check with them and pass on the report.

MDK - 29-8-2013 at 06:50 PM

Dry hot in the 90's wind 5-12 mph. It's a gamble this time of year. I have a MRI scheduled that Saturday or I would be up for a gamble, sorry.

BeamerBob - 29-8-2013 at 07:30 PM

Thanks guys. Maybe something will shake out for some buggy time.

MDK - 18-9-2013 at 07:19 AM

anyone know if the road has been paved?

bigkid - 18-9-2013 at 08:05 AM

Quote: Originally posted by MDK  
anyone know if the road has been paved?

Would it make any differance?:lol::D

Morrie Williams - 18-9-2013 at 08:35 AM

As of a labor day weekend report, it has not been paved. However it was graded recently.

csa_deadon - 18-9-2013 at 07:52 PM

Informal A.B.E. October 7th thru October 13th.

Would be helpful to get arrival dates for those attending.
Remember this can/is extreme camping if you are on the lake bed without an RV.
Come prepared. List of suggested items to follow.

csa_deadon - 18-9-2013 at 08:09 PM

This is just a minimal suggested camping list for those wishing to camp on the lakebed.

4 season tent with rain fly. The more poles for structure the better. Winds at night can be brutal.

1-zero degree rated sleeping bag per person
Foam sleeping pad, or thin air mattress. Stay away from the thicker air mattresses, they tend to deflate and get cold.

Flash lights, Flash lights, Flash lights!

Camp stove of some kind with fuel.
Don't forget to bring something to cook food in, and eat with.

Clothing for all conditions. High temps during the day and cooolllddd at night! I would suggest a stocking hat for nights to keep your head toasty while you sleep.

Duh Food! You are two hours from the closest grocery store.

Water, 2 liters a day per person folks. See above.

Do you take prescription medications for any reason. Bring them.

This place is huge and can be unforgiving. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

This is just a minimal suggestion list. Bring what you need to be safe and comfortable.

bigkid - 19-9-2013 at 07:52 AM

So the Expo part? Just a word or is it really an Expo?

MDK - 20-9-2013 at 06:51 AM

Exposure. Exposure to the elements :)

Morrie Williams - 23-9-2013 at 07:59 AM

Okay guys, who all is planning to make the trip to Alvord? Any late word on lake/road conditions?

caleb - 25-9-2013 at 02:45 PM

Is the road good enough to pull a trailer with a pickup down?

Morrie Williams - 25-9-2013 at 05:21 PM

Several trailers were pulled up the road from Fields over the labor day weekend. Haven't heard about current conditions. I'll be pulling a utility trailer with land sailor and other stuff.

bigkid - 25-9-2013 at 11:56 PM

I will be going. Not sure about the RV or truck and trailer. Any one want share a ride?
Not sure about the dates yet hope for Thursday to Sunday for sure, maybe longer.

MDK - 26-9-2013 at 06:14 AM

if your coming in from the north (highway 78 from Burns or Jordan Valley to Folly Farm Rd/Fields-Denio Rd.) Folly Farm Rd/Fields Denio Rd. is 39 Miles to the lakebed in which 28 miles of it is dirt (it is rumored that it is to be paved soon). I drove my 30' RV with a trailer down this road last May and it was fine, I maintained about 30 to 40 mph most of the way. I am however holding on to the hope that it will be paved some day. I will be there at least Thursday through Sunday.

bigkid - 26-9-2013 at 06:27 AM

It will be good to see you Mike. Be sure to bring extra water in case the lake bed is dry. hehehe
Will you be bringing the tow vehicle for those that get stranded 15 miles away when the wind dies? I would be happy to pay next time.:D

MDK - 26-9-2013 at 04:49 PM

yes I will be bringing the 4 wheeler :) Looking forward!

caleb - 27-9-2013 at 08:23 AM

I'm still undecided as weather to go. It would be a 7 hour trip for my wife and I. I have a few questions if you don't mind.

1. The dates include October 11-13 correct?
2. Has anyone had any problems with water freezing in their RV at night?
3. Most importantly, my wife says she'll get bored. We would bring our bicycles, but that's not enough. Is there anything else to do around there? I've heard of a hot springs. Is there actually hot water for swimming there?
4. How much money do I need to bring for the fees, t-shirts etc...?

Thanks for your replies.

MDK - 27-9-2013 at 05:20 PM

Number one yes number two no number three yes there are hot springs but there are no guarantees that your wife won't get bored. I will have a four wheeler out there that she is welcome to explore on. my wife also has a blow cart that she would probably be willing to share. Number four I have no idea you'll have to ask Josh or Sean

caleb - 27-9-2013 at 05:58 PM

Cool. Thanks. We're still discussing it.
Josh/Sean, I'm new here so, how much should I bring. Will there be a t-shirt?
Thanks.

greasehopper - 27-9-2013 at 06:32 PM

I'm tellin' ya, this work thing is gettin' in the way of my life here. I've got to back out. Just got handed a project with a strict deadline and nowhere near enough staff to pull off a vacation in the middle of it.

csa_deadon - 27-9-2013 at 07:53 PM

This year is just informal with no fees attached.
Bring money to cover your expenses.

MDK - 27-9-2013 at 08:06 PM

Me too Ken! Now I'm hoping to make it out by Friday. Might just say the heck with it and leave early anyway.

csa_deadon - 27-9-2013 at 10:25 PM

With Josh getting banged up on his last trip there were things like planning t-shirts that kind of went on the back burner. So, no t-shirts this year.
There are no planned events this year as this is not an event, next year will be different (right Josh! lol) This is just a bunch of us getting together to ride together, eat together, and lie to each other.

Josh and I have already been talking about next year. I'll be at the lake bed starting Wednesday Oct 9th and I am planning on leaving Monday Oct 14th.

I am reposting the minimal list here. Also Josh brought up a good point on FB. Bring a gps and know how to use it. With in a matter of minutes you can be miles from where you call base camp, and everything looks the same. For those that have been to Ivanpah, this lake bed is as wide as Ivanpah is long.


This is just a minimal suggested camping list for those wishing to camp on the lakebed.

4 season tent with rain fly. The more poles for structure the better. Winds at night can be brutal.

1-zero degree rated sleeping bag per person
Foam sleeping pad, or thin air mattress. Stay away from the thicker air mattresses, they tend to deflate and get cold.

Flash lights, Flash lights, Flash lights!

Camp stove of some kind with fuel.
Don't forget to bring something to cook food in, and eat with.

Clothing for all conditions. High temps during the day and cooolllddd at night! I would suggest a stocking hat for nights to keep your head toasty while you sleep.

Duh Food! You are two hours from the closest grocery store.

Water, 2 liters a day per person folks. See above.

Do you take prescription medications for any reason. Bring them.

This place is huge and can be unforgiving. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

This is just a minimal suggestion list. Bring what you need to be safe and comfortable.

Remember to have fun, and be safe.

bigkid - 27-9-2013 at 10:29 PM

caleb, u2u sent.

Morrie Williams - 30-9-2013 at 10:37 AM

Just talked to a friend in Bend who spoke to a lady who lives on Alvord Saturday. She says that none of the coastal rain has gotten there. The big ladsailors where there on the weekend, sailing was great.

buggeyed - 4-10-2013 at 05:16 PM

If all goes as planned Ryan and I should be arriving there on Fri.11th until Sun,13th. Really looking forward to the Alvord Experience once again!:D

MDK - 4-10-2013 at 06:21 PM

me too, friday through sunday

caleb - 9-10-2013 at 09:10 AM

See you there Thursday evening.

caleb - 13-10-2013 at 05:01 PM

Here's a few pictures. Sorry I couldn't stay longer. Next time we'll bring an RV and camp closer. Also, I was feeling under the weather most of the time.
At least we had a little bit of wind Friday evening.


stetson05 - 14-10-2013 at 12:02 AM

Great pics! What a great place! I will get there eventually. I hope you all had a great time!

stetson05 - 14-10-2013 at 12:02 AM

Great pics! What a great place! I will get there eventually. I hope you all had a great time!
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