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Vimeo Music Copyright.

John Holgate - 26-1-2015 at 03:50 PM

I've had a Vimeo plus account for a few years now because it allows me and others to download the full HD file from the site, but more importantly, it doesn't have the same 'net nanny' music policy that youtube does.

Until now. Just spent 2 1/2 hours uploading a 1gb file onto Vimeo to find a 'music match copyright' notice stuck on it and Vimeo won't play it.

Being a muso, I'm aware of copyright laws and Vimeo has always stated that you can't use other people's songs without their permission. They have also stated that should a publisher request a video be removed due to music copyright infringement, then Vimeo will remove said video. In the past it has not been a problem and I have often used other people's music in my vids 'cos it's what I want to listen to when I watch the vid.

Personally, I have bought a stack of music that I never would have found if not for videos and I think it's great advertising for musicians and we should all be allowed to use any of our bought and paid for music for non commercial vids. The law doesn't agree with me however, and now, neither does Vimeo.

So a heads-up to all you Vimeo users. It may pay to test with a really small, compressed file first before hitting the upload button for a large file.

soliver - 26-1-2015 at 04:12 PM

Thats a bummer... Are they going to pull Vids that've already been posted?

carltb - 26-1-2015 at 04:13 PM

I found this out a couple of weeks ago myself. as you said , there has never been an issue with music on vimeo in the past so why change it.

just had a thought what are they gunna do with all the copyright music on there already?

John Holgate - 26-1-2015 at 04:28 PM

It doesn't seem to have any effect on vids with third party music that I already have on the site - maybe different publisher though. Though surely if they're going to start doing it for new vids, they have to block older ones? Copyright laws don't differentiate between what I put up now or what I put up last year I wouldn't have though. I've read through (or tried to) their 'fair use' policy and I need more coffee to absorb it! Bottom line is, it's up to the courts if you claim 'fair use'. I'm not getting tangled up in that mess. Looks like you're gonna have to put up with me banging on the guitar on my vids from now on. Sheesh.

RedSky - 26-1-2015 at 05:56 PM

The tester is a good idea. I have let some of my own videos sit in Youtube's private purgatory listing for a week or two before publishing, just to see if there is going to be issues. If there are then normally you can just click 'acknowledge' and the problem goes away. Deadmau5 made a copyright claim on one of my videos and YT simply asked me to swap the music for one of theirs. The video had over 5000 hits but I decided to delete it with the intention of uploading it with another track but I haven't yet got around to it. I couldn't care less for hits. I just enjoy making crappy videos.

Damn paying for vimeo. Go on YT John. I think their copyright thing is more advanced giving you more options to put it right.

John Holgate - 26-1-2015 at 06:11 PM


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Damn paying for vimeo


Don't think I'll be renewing my subscription this time round.

Too many lawyers and not enough common sense.

hiaguy - 26-1-2015 at 09:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John Holgate  
Looks like you're gonna have to put up with me banging on the guitar on my vids from now on. Sheesh.

Quite frankly, I like listening to your banging. Thank you for sharing it with us.

PHREERIDER - 27-1-2015 at 06:58 PM

will it effect old stuff? not seeing any notifacation . maybe if you pay for commerical account its implies $ exchange vehicle on content? don't know, certainly reduces choice in expressing the experience as the original purchase of music was intended, to enhance the moment ...how many times must you purchase the right if you legally already have right to own and use the copy sold to you? hmm

$ will kill the open internet

who woulda thought the virtual world could be collared by an illusion...mammon become master.

i knew it ! time to play my banjo!! and it'll be PHREE to all! https://vimeo.com/38705378



IkonKiteboardingUSA - 28-1-2015 at 04:20 PM

I am making my own music so issue solved

By the way, making and or producing music is hard work and those who make it are trying to make a living doing so, so even thogh it is a pain, to pay or go through a process, just remember it is there living in most cases

RedSky - 28-1-2015 at 06:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by IkonKiteboardingUSA  
I am making my own music so issue solved

By the way, making and or producing music is hard work and those who make it are trying to make a living doing so, so even thogh it is a pain, to pay or go through a process, just remember it is there living in most cases


Of course, but as John said, he has bought a stack of music that he never would have found if not for videos. I have also discovered new material in this way and then purchased a new clean version for use in my own videos / MP3 player.

Youtube mostly tolerates it and unless they're asked to intervene and they often insert a link to buy the actual track.

BigMikesKites - 28-1-2015 at 06:55 PM

John, I have always thought that YOUR music, is the best for my videos. Thank you sir!

IkonKiteboardingUSA - 28-1-2015 at 07:25 PM

I agree music shared via video is an excellent way to spread a tune...... Too bad it isn't "profitable" enough for the record labels