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Peter Lynn Uniq

ssayre - 16-4-2015 at 06:53 AM

I just figured this kite deserved it's own thread separate from the "Skin" and other kites. I'm a single skin nut and like Peter Lynn's stuff so I'm looking forward to these. Also, I miss my fixed bridle kites so I'm looking to this style of kite for that and with the advantages of single skin.

Here is a link to the previous thread discussing this kite. I borrowed the picture from the XK forum

indigo_wolf - 16-4-2015 at 10:02 AM

Quote: Originally posted by ssayre

Here is a link to the previous thread discussing this kite.

Just reposting the >>Link<< without a "page" reference.

In the original post this link is specified as

Quote:

http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=30106&page=2

For anyone that has their"posts per page" set really high in the Control Panel there is no second page and the link as originally posted blows up.

If that's too geeky, please disregard.

ATB,
Sam

ssayre - 16-4-2015 at 10:09 AM

Thanks Sam! I'm not always certain how to do certain stuff and it's never "too geeky"

bigE123 - 16-4-2015 at 11:29 AM

When this rolls out it's going to be really interesting, mj stated it has no nose supports which imho is why it's fb only, the supports give it that bit extra allowing the AoA change and less brake input and hence bigger window, plus they help in lulls. Interesting times for sure!

Bladerunner - 16-4-2015 at 03:38 PM

-mj-,

If you read this I wonder if you can tell us if PL is considering developing a depower version of single skin?

If not, why not ?

soliver - 16-4-2015 at 06:05 PM

Oh yes! good question BR... -mj- do tell!!!

-mj- - 17-4-2015 at 12:09 AM

Aha, good question BR, and one I can't yet answer.
There is some testing being done though.

As BigE said, interesting times!

bigE123 - 17-4-2015 at 12:17 AM

:D Well one thing is for sure, we we're all here when the revolution started :D

3shot - 17-4-2015 at 03:53 AM

Well put me down for one when they hit the streets!!

BigMikesKites - 18-4-2015 at 08:21 AM

These guys should be here Late May / Early June. I have them preordered. I see these as the first batch of a lineup of kites, though nothing official...or even unofficial. Just a gut feeling.

ssayre - 18-4-2015 at 08:25 AM

Mike, do you know what the sizes will be?

BigMikesKites - 18-4-2015 at 09:50 AM

They are on the second row of this page. there are 3 styles. the play, the TR, and the Quad.

http://www.bigmikeskites.com/PeterLynn.htm

vtliter - 18-4-2015 at 11:50 AM

Will these be available with a bar?

ssayre - 18-4-2015 at 01:03 PM

Will they have a kite only option?

BigMikesKites - 18-4-2015 at 01:15 PM

The bar is the TR as a 3 line kite. More like the current impulse TR. all are complete. Similar to Hornet/Twister. Look for more models next season I suspect.

Bladerunner - 18-4-2015 at 04:01 PM

The TR is a smart market. Almost indestructible and a little less expensive than the traditional kiteboard trainer! :thumbup:

rtz - 18-4-2015 at 09:51 PM

I've got a "PL Special" on order just to see if I like this style of kite and how it compares. If I like it; I'll have to get a full set of Uniqs.

http://www.peterlynnhimself.com/Sale.php

Jessica Liang said they didn't have any in stock and they'd have to make it. Should be here by the end of the month. Looking forward to seeing how it flys.

BigMikesKites - 19-4-2015 at 03:03 AM

this is not he same kite by the way.

Demoknight - 19-4-2015 at 07:04 AM

Yeah RTZ the Uniq is much different from the Skin, if that is what you are referring to.

povlhp - 19-4-2015 at 12:51 PM

The kites are in the new catalogue here: http://www.peterlynn.com/downloads/PeterLynnBrochure.pdf
They are on page 15. Found the there models except the play on german webshops. In the Quad is shipping in 1-5 days.

It supposedly has 40-60% more power than foils. So would my sone be able to handle a 1.5m^2 ? That is around the size of a Symphony Pro 2.2. Maybe even the smallest is too big for him and his < 35 kg.

How is it with new products from Peter Lynn ? Is it like Apple products ? You should skip 1st generation, as the will be huge improvements in version 2 a year later ?

They are priced (as quads) 159-229 Euros. for 1.5 and 4.5 respectively. In comparison, a Hornet 2.0 is €199. And the twister way more expensive.

Are the Uniq and single skins in general traction kite only ? Or do they have lift ?

3shot - 19-4-2015 at 01:33 PM

@povlhp, as with anything, there will always be a desire to improve any design. Even if the first is darn near perfect. "Perfect" is in the eye of the beholder IMHO. Any kite produces lift if the conditions call for it. The quad is sounding to me like its going to be a great little traction kite. Should be a good little buggy engine.

Pretty damn sure I'm gonna try at least one... So count me in on the 3.5 or 4.5 for starters.

ssayre - 19-4-2015 at 01:40 PM

I would like one of these, but I'm leaning towards urban kites because of the kite only option.

Bladerunner - 19-4-2015 at 04:30 PM

POV,

The single skin revolution is just starting from my POV. I think there will be plenty of room for them to change and improve.
As people are saying there will be a big leap between the skin and the Uniq. I think it is too early to judge but suspect that the Uniq won't be a good model for jumping. I do think the Peak shows promise in that field. From all reports the Peak 2 is a step up in performance so ....

Like kites in general the single skin will have strong points for beginners, touring, and price point etc.. I see a variety of different models to satisfy the different needs. As always, NO kite will do it all.

So, will the early single skin kites hold value? Tough call? I think mostly not ?? Experiencing the revolution from the beginning, priceless!

soliver - 19-4-2015 at 07:19 PM

I personally have decided to stick within the Nasa style of single skin. Since my accident, my main consideration is avoiding lift and it seems to me that the Nasa Stars or NPW provide the LEAST lift... not saying NONE... just considerably less... no more broken bones for me.... of course I'll be keeping my favorite smaller foils :smilegrin:

Demoknight - 20-4-2015 at 12:04 PM

Well, Spence as well you know I am sure, you cannot rule out pilot error. I have jumped with my 3.5m Reactor before. Yes it was on purpose, and yes it was in buttery smooth 20-22mph beach winds. How high did I go? The highest jump had my feet maybe 3 feet off the ground. I didn't send it hard at all, just a gentle sweep to check the lift for my own experience. It was a quick yank up and a plop back down. Never let your guard down on the smaller kites. I don't have to tell you that. No doubt you are a tad gun shy after such a scary moment.

bigE123 - 20-4-2015 at 12:17 PM

IMHO these new generation kites do out perform the NPW BUT with that performance comes lift! They may be single skin but the work to build is nearly as much as a foil so I can't see the price difference between a foil and "new" single skin being that great UNLESS there are compromises on the design to bring the price down. It all comes down to how much are you willing to pay for what you get, there has already been a post showing a cheap variation and TBH you will you get what you pay for.

It really comes down to what do you really want to enjoy yourself? Do you really need cutting edge performance or will a damn good tractor like an NPW do to put a smile on your face:D

Demoknight - 20-4-2015 at 12:27 PM

What can I say, I like nice things

NPW isn't my style. The only single skin I think I could find myself really enjoying would be an LEI.

soliver - 20-4-2015 at 01:45 PM

Yep, Errol I'm totally gun shy and completely in tune with the fact that even the small foils will lift... I'm only keeping them cuz I like them and will probably never hook in with them... I don't think I would have even before the accident.

ssayre - 20-4-2015 at 01:55 PM

Quote:

Well, Spence as well you know I am sure, you cannot rule out pilot error. I have jumped with my 3.5m Reactor before. Yes it was on purpose, and yes it was in buttery smooth 20-22mph beach winds. How high did I go? The highest jump had my feet maybe 3 feet off the ground. I didn't send it hard at all, just a gentle sweep to check the lift for my own experience. It was a quick yank up and a plop back down. Never let your guard down on the smaller kites. I don't have to tell you that. No doubt you are a tad gun shy after such a scary moment.

If you ever move inland again, you'll gain a new perspective

IMO, it's too large of a risk to jump with any fixed bridle kites inland or hook in (fixed bridle) without auto qr unless you luck out and get a very seldom perfect day. There is absolutely no way to judge a jump because it's like someone has their finger on a dimmer switch and is inconsistently sliding it up and down. You can compensate with with good pilot skill but then your constantly guarding yourself from the kite and can never really enjoy yourself. Unhooked with killers is a completely different story. Let her rip and let go when need be. A nasa wing or a proper depower can allow you to handle and control much more power in a controlled fashion.

Okay, I'm off my soapbox

ssayre - 20-4-2015 at 01:58 PM

And by the way, I wouldn't trust the uniq hooked in either until I learn otherwise.

soliver - 20-4-2015 at 04:30 PM

I also agree with you Errol about pilot error... my accident was about 10% bad weather luck (gusty wind) 30% Stupidness (for not hooking up my Auto QR) and 60% pilot error (all completely subjective estimations of course)...

Looking back, I know that I'm used to flying in gusty wind, and I know I wouldn't have been in that situation if I had hooked up my AQR, but had I been a sensible pilot not "pushing myself" and chosen a smaller kite or had I kept my head and not cranked the breaks when I was so high off the ground, things might have turned out different.... and less expensive :o

The point I really was making was that (as BigE said) the performance being built into the new style of single skin kites will encourage the lifting part of the equation over the Nasa Style of kite, and since I am intent on avoiding being lifted, I think I'll stick in the Nasa camp for a bit. And as I said only hanging on to my smaller foils for sentimental reasons.

-mj- - 21-4-2015 at 07:05 AM

On another note; the colors on that picture are wrong... that's the 4.5 and it should be purple/lime.
Guess someone photoshopped a little too zealous :rolleyes:

3shot - 21-4-2015 at 07:15 AM

I really want to try one of these!!

markite - 21-4-2015 at 09:50 AM

I tried to twist an arm to get one to bring to tease at JIBE but my bribe of maple syrup, bacon and a bottle of single malt whiskey was held up in customs

we'll have to wait for the production ones to be shipped in about a month ....or so...

Demoknight - 28-4-2015 at 07:13 AM

Awe, too bad Mark. I was hoping to see one in action.

kiteballoon - 28-4-2015 at 01:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by markite

I tried to twist an arm to get one to bring to tease at JIBE but my bribe of maple syrup, bacon and a bottle of single malt whiskey was held up in customs

we'll have to wait for the production ones to be shipped in about a month ....or so...

You tease! Too bad, this would have been awesome to see and fly. Finally had a chance to see a recent PL skin flying and I'd love to see what evolved out of it. I have a feeling they will iterate on this fast.

skimtwashington - 29-4-2015 at 03:46 AM

Largest is only a 4.5m .....? Sounds limited for range(low winds).

It may be a different animal with no NOSE SUPPORTS(stiffeners/plastic ribs)-compared to a Peak.

With info........so far.....I expect it to have 'less performance' than a Peak...despite one being a FB and one a Depow.

Real reviews will be interesting to hear about.

It may be a hair lighter than a Peak(?).

Price?

bigE123 - 29-4-2015 at 03:56 AM

It's all subjective until someone says "I have flown one!" but I think the 4.5m will be similar to the Peak 6m for pull, my home made 5m will fly @6mph but needs over 12mph for good traction. How it copes with gusty wind / lulls and the window size compared to a foil / NPW .... we're all waiting with baited breath :D

skimtwashington - 29-4-2015 at 06:51 AM

Well.. It's not on their peterlynn.com site... even though it says ,"for more info go to peterlynn.com "....not an official product yet...not being 100% marketed-as I see it.

So there's no info on wind range per size- as typical for their accepted 'line'.....

But, it's still limited for low wind in sizing choices.

Coming soon:

Peak vs. Uniq.

Early Guess...The Peak wins across most categories . Uniq will be much cheaper $ kite as some offset. But again they are in two dif. categories of kites-FB and Depow...

That's why I'd like to see a Peak converted to handles and the Unique converted to bar for testing, too.

ssayre - 29-4-2015 at 07:07 AM

I'm looking forward to kites like the uniq. I think it may offer a great choice for longboard or a moderate to high wind buggy engine with good stability being single skin. It's not a peak and there's nothing wrong with that. I have a peak and I welcome an fb version. By the way, it's not uncommon to see people flying peaks on handles. I've not tried it.

Feyd - 29-4-2015 at 09:53 AM

I've tried it. Its fun. But for street riding I'm finding the 4m on 5m lines is the nuggets. All the functionality but in a small nimble system. You can even down loop it.
I use two bars at the moment, one with trim and one without. I prefer the non-trip version.

I started following Hercs lead, 6m on handles. I'm finding the 4m is better suited and more fun for my tastes.

3shot - 29-4-2015 at 10:08 AM

Stating 40-60% more power than same size foil. So the 4.5 skin should pull more like a 6 or 6.5 foil. Pretty sweet. I wanna try one!

Windstruck - 31-5-2015 at 05:52 AM

I pre-ordered the 4.5M Uniq from Big Mike late last night. I live inland and often times find I want to get out when the wind is very light just because that time is when I have free time. I'll post first impressions once I get it up in the air and have it tug me around!

soliver - 31-5-2015 at 03:38 PM

This is exciting... I can't wait to hear how it works, swesting! ... keep us up informed.

Windstruck - 31-5-2015 at 05:11 PM

You got it. With any luck I will be able to test the 4.5 both static and buggying, using either quad handles or a PL Cross-Over bar. More on this in a while (could be a bit before I get the kite from Big Mike). My name is Steve BTW.

888huskers - 31-5-2015 at 10:14 PM

I just read about this new kite on Big Mike's website and was curious what this kite compares to. Is it a step down from a hornet or a step up? Is it closer to the hype or is it a step down from that? I was intrigued by the 1M as a possible fun kite to take on the road for family fun. I also noticed a discrepancy between the sizes in the catalog for the UNIQ Play vs what Big Mike has listed. Is there really a 1.0M or is it a 1.5M?

skimtwashington - 1-6-2015 at 02:45 AM

Nothing to compare........ It's unique!

If it would be similar to something it would be the FS Peak. No step down to a Hornet...but a different animal than it.

Crash it no worries and easy launch. A bit more powerful per meter size, remember.

BTW.....What are the prices on these Uniques?

povlhp - 1-6-2015 at 04:56 AM

I have looked at the price list and the catalog from vliegerop.
Pricelist saus:
Play 1.0, 1.5 and 2.0.
TR is 1.5 and 2.5
Quad is 1.5, 2.5, 3.5 and 4.5

The catalogue says Play in 1.5, 2.0, and 2.5.

So I assume pricelist is sq.meters, catalogue is width.

ssayre - 1-6-2015 at 06:56 AM

I'm jealous Steve, let s know how it goes. I have tempered excitement about these. Only tempered because my kite budget is zero at the moment.

rtz - 1-6-2015 at 09:13 AM

The prices: http://www.bigmikeskites.com/PeterLynn.htm

skimtwashington - 1-6-2015 at 04:28 PM

Prices seems what I was expecting- at Less than 1/2 cost of FS Peak 6m.

Still a bit odd about size range limit...except my guess is they want to limit 1st run and test market first.

ssayre - 1-6-2015 at 05:14 PM

I would hope it's half the price of a peak because it's not a depower and each uniq would probably cover a third of the wind range that one peak would cover. I bought my peak used but I would say the 6 or 9 peak is the best value on the market right now and that includes nasa stars. You could literally own one kite and be able to kite 80% of usable wind days. You could fly handles or bar and any length of lines. That's a bargain in my book even at the new prices. I think the uniq looks like it will be a great kite but it's as similar to a peak as a nasa wing. The only similarity is single skin.

soliver - 2-6-2015 at 05:39 AM

ALL HEIL DAS SINGLE SKIN REVOLUTION!!! :lol:

BigMikesKites - 3-6-2015 at 04:01 AM

Uniq arriving soon. I expect to ship out from Holland this week or early next week. other single skins will probably follow...next season

-mj- - 3-6-2015 at 05:01 AM

Quote: Originally posted by povlhp

So I assume pricelist is sq.meters, catalogue is width.

It´s actually a screw up in the brochure :o
As with all foils 2/lines are measured in wingspan 3 & 4 lines in square m.

Anyways..... Uniq's have just arrived here in the warehouse!
Of course we will need to test these production kites before sending them out to shops so like Mike said, next week :D

-mj- - 3-6-2015 at 05:02 AM

Oh, and webpages on the Uniq are up as well.

3shot - 3-6-2015 at 06:47 AM

Sweet!!
You can tell by the wind range chart, these are gonna produce a ton of power. Really want one.....or two......or all four :evil:

Windstruck - 3-6-2015 at 07:02 AM

That's the spirit 3shot! Another great American consumer. :smug:

3shot - 3-6-2015 at 11:08 AM

Marijn, what's the upwind like on the Uniq quad?
What would you compare it to in PL's current foil lineup in upwind ability?

Looks like the graph is notched on a scale of 1-10, with upwind falling at 8?

soliver - 3-6-2015 at 07:38 PM

I finally looked at the PL page specs on this kite. Says the 4.5m has a wind range primarily under 10kts,... that is impressive!

povlhp - 4-6-2015 at 12:03 AM

The low wind capabilities are like starting from nothing and going up. That is the impressive part.
Since we do have winds gusting to 20-25 kts, I am interested in how it behaves beyond its upper wind range. From what I read on the Peter Lynn Himself webpage, the wind range is narrow on single skins, and they supposedly performs badly outside it. So what will they do in too much wind ?

I am getting a 1.0 Uniq Play for fun, and to get a 1st gen single skin kite. Need to go small, as I don't want anything that scares/pulls my son as a 2 meter foil.

soliver - 4-6-2015 at 05:43 AM

Honestly I've seen a good number of kites that will FLY in almost nothing, but what's really important to me would be the USEABLE power in that sub 10kts range.

-mj- - 4-6-2015 at 06:34 AM

Upwind of the Quad is not up to par with a current gen. 'normal' foil like the Hornet, simply because it lacks the bottom skin and these first designs are not yet meant to be 'high performance'.

Yes, low wind starts around 2 knots for every kite in the range except the 1m Play, but to get going in a bug you'd need around 6 knots with either the 3.5 or the 4.5 and then it also depends on what you weigh and on what kind of surface you're riding.
I'm a light guy and I was moving (buggy) on hard packed in 5kn with a 3.5 Quad, not fast, but moving.
Flew the 1.5 Quad in 25+ knots and it's power was impressive, still good controls though.

As for what they do in too much wind... they pull you out of your shoes!
Joking of course, stay safe!

Windstruck - 4-6-2015 at 06:53 AM

Liking those stats mj! I've got a 4.5 Uniq Quad on order from Big Mike. I'm about 200 lbs and will be buggying primarily on grass with extra wide PL tires. From what you are saying I hope to get moving nicely with 7-10 knots. I get that sort of wind a lot where I live, so I'm psyched! :singing:

soliver - 4-6-2015 at 09:03 AM

Good info mj, thanks

3shot - 4-6-2015 at 11:40 AM

Thanks for the info mj!!

-mj- - 5-6-2015 at 12:22 AM

I weigh little under 160Lbs and was moving in a standard XR+, had to really work the kite and couldn't really get upwind, so 5kn was the 3.5's absolute minimum for me.
Surface was comparable to Ivanpah but smoother, as in much, much finer grain sandpaper.
(Bardenas Reales desert in the north of Spain, pics on Uniq webpages)

3shot - 6-6-2015 at 04:24 AM

Hey mj, is that another PL proto the boys in Mongolia are using? Looks like a more performance skin.

povlhp - 8-6-2015 at 02:56 AM

According to Peter Lynn himself (one of his monthlynewsletters), then it supposedly was difficult to have the single skin behave OK in stronger wind, which is why I wonder what will be so bad when wind increases (apart from pull).

-mj- - 8-6-2015 at 06:36 AM

A lot of cells, higher AR, yup, high(er) performance proto.

Standard foils in high windspull hard but still fly relatively smooth, if you take away the bottom skin the kite becomes less smooth in flight.
As in you feel every little bump in the wind and the kite becomes somewhat 'yanky' even in smooth winds.

rectifier - 19-6-2015 at 11:09 AM

Is anyone selling Uniq in Canada?

I would love to add the 4.5 to my singleskin quiver but don't feel like throwing my hard earned $CDN at the exchange rate these days.

BigMikesKites - 20-6-2015 at 03:54 AM

If you can't find anyone rectifier, I've sent stuff across the border before. Shipping isn't too bad.

markite - 20-6-2015 at 06:24 AM

I've been a PL dealer here in Ontario since well before the first arcs came out and Vince in Edmonton (horizon kites) is PL dealer and several others I Quebec. Over the last handful of years I think you'll find that most CDN dealers offered the same prices but in CDN so you should get quite a savings. Try sending a note to Vince as he's closest to you or go to the Peter Lynn web site and look at the dealer list to see if anyone is close by to support your local dealer.

Mark

hiaguy - 20-6-2015 at 08:03 AM

Quote: Originally posted by markite

... support your local dealer.:evil:
Mark

Good afternoon. My name is Howard, and I'm a kiteaholic.:D

3shot - 20-6-2015 at 09:06 AM

Quote: Originally posted by -mj-

A lot of cells, higher AR, yup, high(er) performance proto.

Standard foils in high windspull hard but still fly relatively smooth, if you take away the bottom skin the kite becomes less smooth in flight.
As in you feel every little bump in the wind and the kite becomes somewhat 'yanky' even in smooth winds.

Thanks for the info mj!

utahtami - 20-6-2015 at 04:12 PM

I just flew the 1.5m Uniq and the 1.4m BeamerIV. The Beamer really outshines the Uniq. The Beamer flies in less wind. The great advantage I thought the Uniq would have is to require less wind due to less weight. My Peak kites pretty much launch themselves. The Uniq has some strange bond with the Earth that must be broken before it decides to fly even when fully spread and 'filled'. The Beamer has almost twice the angle wind window.
But hey the Uniq has a great bag, great handles and PL quality lines

rectifier - 22-6-2015 at 08:06 AM

Quote:

The Beamer really outshines the Uniq. The Beamer flies in less wind.
... The Beamer has almost twice the angle wind window.

Is this the quad-line kite?
If so this is pretty disappointing to hear. This actually sounds like the worst of both worlds. Heavy and a poor window?

Does this mean the claims of more power than an equivalent sized foil are false?

utahtami - 22-6-2015 at 08:20 AM

That was the quad line. It does provide lots of power.

rectifier - 22-6-2015 at 08:40 AM

Hmm, I guess it's always hard to define "power" in kites. I see you have a NPW5, is that the sort of power it has, big pull with little lift?
Do you feel it has usable power at the sides of the window for buggying, or mostly just big arm-stretching drag?

utahtami - 22-6-2015 at 10:05 AM

I am glad I don't plan on buggying with one. I imagine the upwind would be quite a chore.

utahtami - 22-6-2015 at 10:54 AM

Yesterday I flew it side by side with the 2.4 NPW5. They had similar pull. The NPW seemed a bit more nimble to control input.

Vince H. - 22-6-2015 at 11:10 AM

Quote: Originally posted by markite

...........Try sending a note to Vince as he's closest to you or go to the Peter Lynn web site and look at the dealer list to see if anyone is close by to support your local dealer.

Mark

Mark,

Thanks for the plug ! BUT.....technically he is now closer to you than me. I had previously announced a pending move back to land of high humidity and thunderstorms (but it's so much more windy here than central Alberta) and am in fact now once again in Welland. Going bricks and mortar again in combination with a cafe in our retail space across from the recreational canal in the downtown. Living in the loft above once again. (Yea no more deadbeat tenants!)

In the midst of renovations so won't have regular retail hours for a few weeks yet, but am virtually here 24/7 in one form or another. Conscious or unconscious. Unfortunately I won't get much kiting time for a while but hope at least to hit a Windrider's club fly to reconnect and of course the Canal Days Festival.

Anyway, like most other dealers I did receive part of the first wave of Uniq Quads and have them available on my website.

-mj- - 30-6-2015 at 06:06 AM

Quote: Originally posted by utahtami

I just flew the 1.5m Uniq and the 1.4m BeamerIV. The Beamer really outshines the Uniq. The Beamer flies in less wind. The great advantage I thought the Uniq would have is to require less wind due to less weight. My Peak kites pretty much launch themselves. The Uniq has some strange bond with the Earth that must be broken before it decides to fly even when fully spread and 'filled'. The Beamer has almost twice the angle wind window.
But hey the Uniq has a great bag, great handles and PL quality lines

Same answer as in the other thread :o excuse the hijack :cool:

Yes the wind window is smaller on these kites compared to 'normal' fixed bridle kites, no-one ever said they would outperform existing powerkites on every level right from the introduction of the first generation.

The other thing, yes the window gets narrower even more when the kite doesn't really gets enough wind, for it to be really effective in the light stuff try putting on lighter flying lines.
You can imagine the weight of the (strong included) lines having quite an impact on a 1.5m single skin which weighs next to nothing.

Have fun with further testing!