got a kite from Iflykites, and its amazingly fresh.
P4 Psycho 15m and compared to my 12m P4, man this thing is a powerhouse. got on the the water in about 12mph with TT.
did a 3 hour ATB run with my 12m and switch to the 15 for another hour with some water time. anyway fantastic unit. out the bag and right to
business. the float on this thing is huge ! a powered session on the water would be a real gut check! thanks Ari and the bonus bag is great.
trampa ATB has been great, the shorter foot to axle distance actually makes rotations a bit snappier , still very rigid thru the trucks but don't
notice it as much. hit about 40 mph on it yesterday on a running 4+ mile pass. very stable no wobble in the least. bearings are at the "repack "
or "wd40 to failure" stage , i may repack them! we'll see.
BUT the deck pad rubber things have debonded and flapping around, this is about the 100+ hour mark , not sure how i'm gonna get that fixed , the
grip on my GI is still there 1000+hours with zero hint of failure.
pics coming of this issue, which i kinda saw this coming so its not a big issue just wanted more from them, they looked so cool, i wonder how the
adhesion would survive...so may move into shelf grip tape, Gangsta Grip top sheet seems to be choice not so sure it will do well with the moisture.
well see. considering just sand blasting the foot spots on the deck to forgo adhesion issues.
any way totally stoked on P4 15m ! , a bit much but im sure it will find work! trampa unit is deluxe , but kinda sad to see the pads go ...just an
excuse to buy some gangsta grip! the marine deck tape i have is white can't see that happening ...any moisture tolerant solutions certainly are
welcome. pics of issue process coming up AND the P4 if i can remember to take the phone to beach IFlyKites - 31-10-2015 at 01:44 PM
Glad you like it! Powerhouse it is! In the one time I took it out, it pulled like a horse in 6mph. It's a shame that I had to let it go but on a
positive note I would much rather see it being used more than what I have used it. Good winds and fly safe!
Cheers,
Ari PHREERIDER - 31-10-2015 at 10:45 PM
right on man. grateful for intersection.
heres a look at the trampa pads , actually lost one today (sat) 4 hour session dropped it somewhere, anyway
the wear spot... you can see the abraided area beyond pads contact area. grip sheet gets the repair over trying to rebond
and i made a handle for it today as well.
and this clear cover for strap edge. definitely more comfortable
ssayre - 1-11-2015 at 07:16 AM
If you did try the re-glue pad option, I might recommend using polyurethane sealant such as np1 available at concrete and masonry supply stores.
Menards has pl brand but not sure if you have menards in your area. clean both surfaces with denatured alcohol, acetone, OR lacquer thinner, then
apply PU sealant. We use a lot of polyurethane sealants in commercial roofing and I've found it sticks to darn near everything and remains
permanently flexible. PHREERIDER - 1-11-2015 at 10:03 AM
yes , i use alot of poly urethane, definitely considered 3M 5200 thru hull, it is choice for extreme. though the soft texture of the rubber pad makes
flexion an issue...so
i went with tight adherent thin, and looks like...
even wrapped all edge to edge with ample wrap lap, i like the height and close finish. i am use to foot grip/strap combo and prefer it
the edge may open up over time, but should remain adhered in total despite wear through. the rubber would not wear fast and is SO adhesion
dependent with flex, it would need to be bolted with edge support to be really effective and remain under foot.
ssayre - 1-11-2015 at 02:05 PM
grip tape look good. Those bindings and board look premium!volock - 1-11-2015 at 02:22 PM
You might consider some acorn nuts, just on the extremely rare chance you could scratch/impale yourself with them as they currently are. Not that I
did that on a board handle like that while running strapless once or anything.
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if the board and grinder meet i will clean all, but chances are slim , board rarely ever leaves my truck phun box...there is hope !
i did repack the bearings! premium set of SS balls there! 6 months is the goal ! doubtful but the badges are just cool on the seals.
P4 15 pulls another , sweeeet azzz power house ! PHREERIDER - 22-12-2015 at 07:05 AM
finishing out the fall at about 3-4 sessions a week on ATB, trampa and P4 15m have pulled the majority and an update on the grip situation...
kinda what i expected,
and rust already on the seen
the bearing repack has helped though wd40 after fresh rinse is still the well adhered to standard.
pushing pass the 200hour mark and still very happy with trampa.
maybe another month or 2 on the bearings ... a few super sessions may easily finish them off flyguy0101 - 22-12-2015 at 02:14 PM
200 hours- soo jealous but real question is- Is the trampa holding up any better then the others except for the grip tape? I know mine is holding up
better than some of my other boards but after 3 yrs I don't think I have 100 hours
ScottPHREERIDER - 22-12-2015 at 02:30 PM
still in honeymoon period! the lack of dress in general is favoring a tight look and that is still pretty nice.
by JIBE 16 a reasonable look and feel for goods will be at hand but for now... unit is solid, no doubt best board i have ever had .
the sand abrasion it don't like, really need the heel edge guarded with something, i see why they had rubber on there. PHREERIDER - 23-12-2015 at 05:28 PM
SUPERSESSION! 11-3, Hey and i met Rudy from NY! somewhere in the last hour. nice guy, he is just getting started on ATB. so far so good.
ssayre - 23-12-2015 at 05:32 PM
Probably just ahead of the tornadic winds we just had. Well done. ssayre - 23-12-2015 at 05:35 PM
Actually a tornado did touch down within a quarter mile of my local spot. Ripped the roof off of the animal hospital that I can hear the dogs bark at
when I'm riding. PHREERIDER - 23-12-2015 at 05:40 PM
strange South wind with alot of moisture, kinda steamy, 73 degrees !. right on man.
TEDWESLEY - 26-12-2015 at 05:55 PM
The product that was on the board originally is called Treadmaster. It is a decking product used on sail boats. It is sold in large sheets which are
installed using epoxy. It is also available in tread sized precut pieces that are self adhesive. I suspect that the latter was used as I see no epoxy
residue. If you should decide to reapply the treadmaster, send me a U2U and I'll give you the full poop on how to do it. I covered the deck on my
ketch with it and had no problems although I know that you put it through a much more rigorous ordeal. I can also send you some off-cuts left over
from the job ( white sand color I'm afraid ) Treadmaster is distributed by Lewmar Marine. PHREERIDER - 26-12-2015 at 07:35 PM
cool ted, i sure i will get to reapplication of something! i have used similiar apps but flex is killing the self adhered backing which i think has
some resilency built in, we will see, thanks for intel on the product. fast_monte - 4-1-2016 at 12:10 PM
Spray on bed liner for pick-up truck beds may work well, adding some large grit blasting sand before it dries could make it better. PHREERIDER - 4-1-2016 at 04:46 PM
good idea! i gues instead of a "sugar deck" that would be a "lava deck". may give it shot ! thanksWELDNGOD - 4-1-2016 at 07:35 PM
Phree, I suspect the debonding is a result of the slickness of the polymer that binds the woven fiber. You might try sanding a little bit of profile
on it for the glue to grab onto. I know stickers come off rather easy on mine. Go on and order ya some powdercoated springs from Trampa . Never do
chrome anything around seawater (I know you had no choice,bought used).
I used to work on Mark V SOCOM boats for the navy SEALs. We would put treadmaster on them using the epoxy method. As your board is flexible, it won't
work well. You are going to need some industrial type "contact cement". Sand area to be applied to, apply cement to BOTH parts and let dry. Here's the
tricky part, you have to line the piece up and start at the end and lay it over to the other side. You only get one shot, when it touches it's stuck!
There will be no adjustment available. Here's the link for treadmaster http://www.treadmaster.co.uk/original.html
PHREERIDER - 5-1-2016 at 06:26 AM
surface energy is super low on the finished deck, abraded has to work better. thanks for the info WG!
really like the V trucks , the springs i knew had it coming. these may get moved to my GI deck and new Vtrucks with powder coat on trampa deck.
adhesive can be better i know, but bolted rubber is the phuture. WELDNGOD - 5-1-2016 at 04:21 PM
Full ON supersession weekend(more like the past 2 weeks!), and PHresh juice boost shorts in action on superpeak land board session yesterday. 1-4pm
20-25mph on 15m FS P4 ... holy boostage ! did so for about an hour on trampa and jumped straight to the water for the finish around 4.
and even though the 12m RPM can bang out the big air ...rest assured and unchain the doubt, it is no match for the nuclear action delivered by FS
unit. PHREERIDER - 22-2-2016 at 05:03 PM
and failed to mention, indeed the bearings are gone, spit out a shield and slop is hard to deny.
and really the only issue with the board in total(grip has wear but not considered an problem) are the alloy wheel the bearing seat, it has
considerable play , all pretty equal, the wheel hub is not gripping the bearing race tightly, shimms kinda like the GI terrantulas will not solve
the problem the space is much small. i have not had any race spin in the seat but by the end of the next set of bearings it will be an issue. close
to 400hour range so...adding ANYthing is gonna be crap. the plastic has same issues but only side of one wheel not ALL.
ther were some at repack effort and hoped it was isolated, but its a growing issue , perhaps bearing seat maybe tapered for easy removal/placement
and now wallowed out ? not sure...perhaps load to surface of this particular material(i assume its 6061)is too high, hard to believe that , and pretty
sure they are not 7075. but that may be the answer! custom 7075!
the powdery fine sand/salt i'm sure is a large factor .
a pic of the issue at near virginal state
BeamerBob - 22-2-2016 at 05:16 PM
Is the space small enough that some red loktite would hold it steady? I use it to keep the bearings firm in the Landseglers. PHREERIDER - 22-2-2016 at 05:45 PM
i have considered same, may indeed be a doable solution, if its ultra solid may be a difficult removal.
considered medium blue on one end and red on the other. the next set will really foul the hub seat if i don't something on the swap coming up.
its good idea to support it for sure Bob. you use red or blue...those bearings you have are larger , have you changed a set with that application?
volock - 22-2-2016 at 07:48 PM
Red removes with heat... Plastic wheel and that heat level may be a bigger issue than the metal landsegler and a heat gunPHREERIDER - 22-2-2016 at 08:20 PM
breaking down those dogs are hassle top floor! breaking out the gun too..no way with the heat, rather epoxy, its tight space ...<200microns.
separation media kinda fouls space so its tight , polyurethane+release.
pretty sure it will spit it out whatever it is, may just squeeze plastic bag in like the plastic hubs, actually works well and doesn't imeped field
replacement looks ratty if forget to burn finish edges , wheels stay constantly wet with lube/water/sand/ocean junk , seems if they get dunked at
all, even with fresh rinse post session everytime, they're doomed. plastic much so less , the steel race is just eating the alloy seat with
powder sand and seasalt ... 1000 hours if the hang on seems fair. by then just have to buy fresh
BeamerBob - 23-2-2016 at 09:31 AM
I've changed them out and didn't use the loktite at first but there was a squeak with loaded rotation. I reinstalled with the red juice and let them
sit till set and everything was tight. I only had to tap out without using heat. You might want to try a less permanent juice at first. PHREERIDER - 23-2-2016 at 05:14 PM
thanks Bob will start with medium , i will try and get pics to relate issue and see if it offers durable control. PHREERIDER - 28-2-2016 at 06:55 PM
nice session today on P4 15m and trampa most of the afternoon, but first a little bearing remediation and looka t the hub race issue.
heres the hub race bearing gap .5mm + easy. this hub has seen about 400hours of use.
.... pressed the other way...
all cleaned up...and the steel had its way with the aluminum!
heres kinda what it should look like , anodized still present PHREERIDER - 28-2-2016 at 07:02 PM
all fresh, with loctite. we'll see
looking little tattered
bearings did fair with one repack, saved and repack 4 for field repair sparesshehatesmyhobbies - 29-2-2016 at 04:38 AM
very interesting to see what you are finding with the Trampa board. Wonder if letting them know would be helpful in their R&D for stronger
accessories to make their boards even better. I know their boards take a heck of a beating by many riders. If your insight could help make them even
better it would be awesome PHREERIDER - 29-2-2016 at 06:41 AM
maybe so, once theres movement its over.
plastic hub certainly outlast the alloy, i suspect to salvage these will take epoxy every couple months. ...when new would be best. loctite over
next couple days may let go will see.
the center will be lost and vibration will be hard to ignore.
for 6 months its doing well, but the wheels definitely on the way out , crossairs to the rescue! PHREERIDER - 3-3-2016 at 07:22 PM
few days back on ATB session 15m P4 breaks (worn) AZ mixer line . finished on the 12m P4 ..gave definitive reminder how snappy the 12m is over the
15m. admittedly a totally different tune between the two. 15 big effortless boost and smooth float. 12 ultra sensitive light wind tune down right
frightening in 15-20.
and appears loctite on trampa hubs is holding up couple 3 sessions and all is solid!
the issue for repair A/Z mixer line. roughly same amount of time as trampa. replicated new set with stitched dacron line and felt the pulleys should
be do for replacement when line fails.
and the tattered lines. PHREERIDER - 26-5-2016 at 07:03 AM
Into the 4th bearing set just added last week , blue loctite doing perfect . All where tight on removal . Very happy about that. Tires are skint
so fresh tires on deck and will be staying with the 8" Stryker. Griptape is not an issue of great concern though edge wear on the deck is apparent it
seems to be surface abrasion only.
In general best board ever and indeed may be my last, at least in total, being maintenance is possible for the attrition. Trampa is not maintenance
free but totally great bones for easy support ... Tires and bearings are easy the rest has be to solid .
This would be my 8th board since 2007 , including 2 FlxBz one which is still in service, the GI composite flight lite is in service as well .
Definitely get pic series of the soldiers that didn't make it. I just want the trampa to last til the foil action is solid in rotation for light
air.
BeamerBob - 26-5-2016 at 07:11 AM
That's cool that the Loctite did the job of keeping the hub from destroying itself. Companies should be sending you their stuff to tell them what
isn't designed well enough. You might be the best in the world at putting gear through its paces. PHREERIDER - 26-5-2016 at 08:46 AM
Right on Bob.
time and pressure ...changes everything . And when forever arrives its generally a surprise though contrary to current understanding of infinity PHREERIDER - 14-7-2016 at 07:29 PM
ok after solid 3+ weeks with no ATB finally take ride. my patella femoral pain is all but gone with almost daily water rides some up to 4hours.
anyway, full on ride with no pain....but about 30min into ride this happens
snapped on a back roll and gashed my ankle , what a suprise!
cue trampa strap phix...
and sessioned late this evening, and just as Abkayak post made me think of pelican drafting on a ride ...and did so happen in a matter of moments.
and the spring situation ssayre - 14-7-2016 at 07:45 PM
How long do you think you have on the springs? If like other springs I've used on non kiting stuff, it looks like they are close to snapping. This
reminds me that I haven't been out for awhile and need to work on wearing my stuff out.abkayak - 14-7-2016 at 07:52 PM
Shocked there's no barnacles indigo_wolf - 15-7-2016 at 03:26 AM
kinda lost track of the time on this unit , i will have had it for a year in the fall.
around 500+hours could be more . 2 new sets of bearings and one repack on originals tires are whisper thin on dominate side. the rigidity of the
total set up seems to accelerate bearing wear. actually swapped out early on the bearings BEFORE catastrophic failure. so thats about 50 hour/set
loss on bearing time. the tires tell me about 600hours thats about the life span of 8" tire for me.
fairly heavy water time since April. i have been in constant repair mode. on my 9M esp. so i did get a new SS rpm, a 10m, since i have an 8m i
salvaged last winter with shorty bar and line set , a 10m may fit in mix , maybe my foil go to unit , the 12m is just too much.
anyway, barnacle phree moments here man!
prolly will do trampa order to freshen it up plus get , tires, springs, straps and second vertigo set to add to old GI lite deck. nickel or
anodized should help corrosion!
spring breakdown i did not expect to go soo fast.
totally strict on rinse and lube EVERYTIME and too a blowdry sometimes when i do my powerbike rinse, dry and lube.
