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Pansh Ace

khooke - 13-5-2007 at 08:35 AM

If you haven't seen it already, Pansh released another new kite, looks somewhat like their AirLink race kite (which apparently hasn't been selling too well - price too high?).

This one looks pretty sweet.

khooke - 13-5-2007 at 08:37 AM

Forgot to mention the best part... they only have it in 5m right now but it's only $99....

Pansh Ace 5m

depp - 13-5-2007 at 10:01 AM

is this a good kite then it looks really nice

Pablo - 13-5-2007 at 10:25 AM

They seem decent for the price, the lines in the past were pretty low quality though.

khooke - 14-5-2007 at 04:56 PM

Keep an eye on this thread as there are a bunch of people discussing this kite - I don't think anyone has their hands on one yet though:

http://www.racekites.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14047

depp - 18-5-2007 at 11:33 PM

they have recived them now and their all saying how good it is, one guy has compared it to a blade. ive ordered one, should get it next week, £52, cant go wrong

tridude - 19-5-2007 at 01:03 PM

Yes a big topic of discussion on RK at the moment! I think its like a 16 page thread and counting...............Def look forward to reading some of the reviews. Appears Pansh have done it again. The Legend is a sweet board kite, Khooke has a nice review of the Blaze, now the Ace at $99 bucks and free shipping!

SecondWind - 19-5-2007 at 09:06 PM

That sounds like a great deal - I may just order a black one tonight :yes:

SecondWind - 19-5-2007 at 09:29 PM

OK - I ordered one. Should be a fun kite to keep in the truck for a quick fix...

Kiteboarder2B - 20-5-2007 at 12:22 AM

was thinking about comitting the same crime (china for gosh sakes) but the price is very hypnotizing, I find my finger ever drifting closer to the order button:borg:

tridude - 20-5-2007 at 05:58 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DaVinch
OK - I ordered one. Should be a fun kite to keep in the truck for a quick fix...


OMG...welcome back to the fixed bridle world! I was thinking of ordering one. Anywho, I saw a credible review by a RK member that def knows how to fly. He had a board sesh and loved the lift and float the Ace produced. He used handles and lines that came with the kite and seemed to be over the moon with performance and quality of build. He has owned a Legend for quite sometime now so is not a stranger to Pansh! If youd like to review his initial comment its on RK, thread is titled Pansh Ace 52 quid.................. page 16 or 17 of the thread. Again, a huge discussion going on about this one!

Bladerunner - 20-5-2007 at 01:17 PM

Word was that the lines and handles were a problem with Pansh. Then I think I heard they changed them ?

I think I can justify this to myself if I can take a decent line set away from the experience ?
Are the line sets usable ???
When I was tempting myself I found that when I made my choice and then pressssssed continue I couldn't get to the next page. I expect I have to join that site to carry on. I sent a message requesting we go forward using Paypal and email. Will I have to join the site ?

Belegnole - 20-5-2007 at 04:16 PM

oH, Please Please NOOOOO!


don't let me fall into this BLACK hole

Kiteboarder2B - 20-5-2007 at 04:46 PM

upon reading through ALL 16 pages of the thread, it was deduced that the lineset provided is not of quality that most kiters would favor out of the bag.

It is braided line and in a couple of pics, BRAND NEW, there were frays/imperfections. Don't think I'd trust my life with those. Besides, a quality lineset isn't THAT much money.

SecondWind - 20-5-2007 at 05:45 PM

Snowbird - I had to sign up first, then I was able to pay via PayPal.

I plan on using a set of Flexi lines and handles with the kite - have not heard good things about the stock lines...

BeamerBob - 21-5-2007 at 09:48 AM

I bit the bullet and ordered a 5m blaze in blue last friday. The tracking number is up and it is on its way. I am a little nervous about the talk of junky handles and lines but I have an unwrapped set of lines I can put on and can pick up some handles or fix theirs with some stuff from the hardware store. In the descriptions, it looked like the Ace was a tamer kite with no lift. Reviews are now saying otherwise. I'll just have to wait to see how it turns out and I'll post a review when I get to fly it.:singing::singing:

khooke - 21-5-2007 at 10:05 PM

Let me know what you think - I bought a 12.5m Blaze a couple of weeks back. True, the line is like rope, but the handles are usable.

It's a pretty decent kite for the price. At 12.5m it flies pretty slow, but what you expect for something this big :-) I would definitely get another one in a smaller size - I'm hoping the Ace comes out in smaller sizes since the only size I'm really after right now is a 3m.

Ashe - 23-5-2007 at 04:05 AM

I'll be following this myself. I've been thinking of "downgrading" my quiver to HQ gear after some disappointing water sessions with my Flysurfer (why own such a spendy kite if I'm not going to leverage its strengths?); but if Pansh is stepping up to the plate, I may go a step further. I realize I'll still need some nice Ozone or Flexi lines, but it would be nice to free up some extra cash for <GASP> other hobbies. Oh yeah, and food...and rent...and bills...etc.

Ashe

tridude - 23-5-2007 at 04:56 AM

Pansh threads on RK are def positive on the Ace except for the lines and handles. If you feel the need to let your P3 go shoot me a pm!

andya - 23-5-2007 at 01:51 PM

So what you do chaps make of your new Ace's??

Can't believe we're up to 30 kites ordered now on RK... :singing:

SecondWind - 23-5-2007 at 06:06 PM

Ashe - why were the water sessions disappointing?

The kite, board or just water in general?

Ashe - 23-5-2007 at 07:15 PM

DaVinch - sent you a PM to keep this thread on-topic. In a nutshell, the Psycho3 rocked, I sucked. Has me questioning the validity of owning a water-capable foil in Indiana. Had been looking at HQ's as I think they're coming really close to the bar set by makers like Flexi, Ozone, and Flysurfer. If Pansh is at the same level at an even better price point, I might be in for a change of quiver. I'm really eager to see what an experienced pilot like yourself who has spent some time with higher-end makes of kites thinks of the Ace. I'm sure alot of others are as well.

Ashe

BeamerBob - 24-5-2007 at 02:57 AM

Well, my 5 meter Blaze was ordered last Friday, shipped Saturday and it arrived on Wednesday. It started out shipped with TNT in China and arrived here via DHL. Apparently there is a legacy relationship from when DHL was Airborne. Package was in good shape and the kite neatly bound inside. I unroll the kits and toss the junky handles aside. Won't use them. The lines are scarily braided, so prolly won't use them either. The build quality on the kite is great. No puckers on the seams of the flame pattern or anywhere else, the edges are double stitched, this looks like a REAL kite. The bridles are knotted but for $129, that's what I would expect. Hoping for some wind today to get her up for a ride. I'll post a review when I have something for you.

tridude - 24-5-2007 at 04:45 AM

Agreed Ashe--very eager to see what Da V has to say about the ACE. Hey Joe, just read a thread response from RK and one of their more experienced pilots posted 6 inch stretch on the main lines. Hopefully you have a spare set of lines laying around!



Quote:
Originally posted by Ashe
DaVinch - sent you a PM to keep this thread on-topic. In a nutshell, the Psycho3 rocked, I sucked. Has me questioning the validity of owning a water-capable foil in Indiana. Had been looking at HQ's as I think they're coming really close to the bar set by makers like Flexi, Ozone, and Flysurfer. If Pansh is at the same level at an even better price point, I might be in for a change of quiver. I'm really eager to see what an experienced pilot like yourself who has spent some time with higher-end makes of kites thinks of the Ace. I'm sure alot of others are as well.

Ashe

Ashe - 24-5-2007 at 05:46 AM

Heck with it - just ordered one myself. Wish my Blade were a 4.9 for a closer comparison, but my Century isn't far off the mark. Have a couple Flexi linesets, so should be good there. Will let everyone know.

Ashe

tridude - 24-5-2007 at 06:17 AM

Look forward to your review Ashe! Other than line issues seems to be a damn good kite from the posts! Im sure Joe can get you dialed in on your P3!

SecondWind - 24-5-2007 at 02:21 PM

Tridude - I have a nice set of Flexi lines and handles that I'll use for the Ace.

This will be my first Pansh :o

tridude - 24-5-2007 at 07:15 PM

Some nice comments and pics on RK under the Ace "new thread". Sweet airborn pic (appears to be at or near zenith and a buggy shot! Im still holding out but for how long not sure!

tridude - 24-5-2007 at 07:22 PM

I figured you had a spare set or two laying around--not like that Bego or Blade you sold me had any!!!!:smilegrin:

wangopengo - 24-5-2007 at 10:26 PM

any word on the 3m blaze cant beat the price what kide of kite would the blaze best compare to?

khooke - 25-5-2007 at 08:01 AM

I haven't flown either (I have a Blaze though and love it), but maybe something along the lines of a Buster or a Beamer? I think it's AR might be higher than both of those, although I haven't checked (just eyeballing).

depp - 25-5-2007 at 04:11 PM

ive got mine what a wicked kite........
i'll fly it proper tomorrow and fill you guys in oh A.R. is 4.53 open.

beachrights - 25-5-2007 at 04:17 PM

I bought a 3m Blaze 2 days ago. With the holiday it might be here by Friday of next week. I will post a review when it gets airborn. Hope it has some lift to it!

SecondWind - 25-5-2007 at 08:13 PM

Just got an email from Pansh - the kite has been shipped :thumbup:

khooke - 26-5-2007 at 10:38 AM

Let us know what you think of the Ace when it arrives... I'm not so interested in a 5m but if they start selling different sizes then I'm very interested...

depp - 26-5-2007 at 12:12 PM

MY REVIEW.

took the ace out today on the beech, wind was 12 mph my friend whos an experienced flyer came along.(im a novice)
im 14 stone, 6ft tall after adjusting the crappy lines which were 16 inch out, got it in the air with what felt like hardly any wind, the thing dragged me about 10ft across the sand (on my feet) then took it to the zenith and it lofted me bout two ft, which was my first experience of this and scudding then took it into the power window and holy sh*t it scudded me about 20 ft then i lost balance but still keeping hold got dragged across the beech and hurt my shoulder. back up again and im loving the power speed and everything about this kite it turns perfectly for me and flys beautifully. best £52 i ever spent........i am now addicted.
I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST IF YOUR A NOVICE LIKE MYSELF.
DONT FLY THIS KITE ALONE.. take an experienced person with you....

SecondWind - 31-5-2007 at 02:56 PM

Got the Ace in today - If this thing flies as good as it looks, this will be a sweet deal :thumbup:

I'll post some pictures later.

SecondWind - 31-5-2007 at 04:45 PM



Pics will not show up for some reason??

Bladerunner - 31-5-2007 at 05:39 PM

So would the fly lines from these kites be acceptable as brake lines ???? Could I move the fly lines to brake and install Dyneema or Q line for the flying lines?

SecondWind - 31-5-2007 at 05:55 PM

Snowbird,

The lines do not seem that bad. However, I have not flown with them yet.

Here are the links to the pics:

Box the kite was shipped in

Packaging

Bag, Lines & Handles

Black & White Ace

Logo

Inlets

Bridles

Pansh Ace

Dagon - 1-6-2007 at 11:52 AM

I am very tempted by this kite, but I am going to buy a 4.5 razor instead, I figure that will be a better long term choice for me. but $99 is such a sweet deal.
it seems pansh is avoiding paying international tarriffs on these kites by designating them "promotional" I wounder how long this will last

SecondWind - 1-6-2007 at 02:00 PM

I flew the ace today in 10 to 13 mph winds - nice work Pansh :thumbup:

I used the stock lines and handles. Once I shortened up the power lines (brakes were way too tight if you used the factory knot on the hanldes), she flew quite well.

Smooth power delivery and very stable. Reminds me of the 5.5m ProFoil. I'll give some more feedback once I fly it more.

Joe

depp - 1-6-2007 at 02:12 PM

it is a good kite, im loving it

Bladerunner - 1-6-2007 at 04:47 PM

One more question for those who have tried one. I'm thinking this may be good as my small kite for jumping. 5 is close to my bullet 4.5 but at about 145 lbs it may be very functional on the board, blades and skis if it has lift. I don't use the 4.5 for jumping on purpose. Would the ace work for a little guy ?

SecondWind - 1-6-2007 at 07:02 PM

My first impression is yes - it definitely has lift.

However, for Skiing or boarding, I would still choose a depowerable. They just handle the gusts so much better.

But...for $100 shipped, it's not a bad deal at all :smilegrin:

Dagon - 5-6-2007 at 01:48 PM

would anyone dare to compare this 5m ace to a 4.9 blade III?
I would love to hear what people have to say, I have flown the 4.9 blade and I love it, but not the price.

SecondWind - 5-6-2007 at 02:36 PM

So far, I think a Bego 400 or a 4.9m Blade III or IV would offer a lot more performance.

But I really need to get it out in better winds to be sure...

Bladerunner - 5-6-2007 at 04:21 PM

I am either an Ace or an A$$ 'cause I just bought in ! :tumble:

It will be interesting to see how it takes to a bar ! :duh:

SecondWind - 5-6-2007 at 07:21 PM

I think you will like it. I still need to tweak it some more.

It flies like the brakes are stuck on.

Bladerunner - 6-6-2007 at 07:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DaVinch
I think you will like it. I still need to tweak it some more.

It flies like the brakes are stuck on.



I'm sure you are better at setting up than I am. Have you tried it 2 line ? To me this would be a starting point if my brakes didn't respond as expected ? Then start with max. slack on the brakes and work up the knots ?

I'll be interested in all tuning tips you may have. Not just for the Ace but in general would be nice !!!

Blaze 7m or Ace 5m

dondabao - 11-6-2007 at 04:42 AM

Now, at this point its the blaze 7m and Ace 5m that ill be considering to buy the next day. Obviously, its the blaze 7m which could create more power because of its greater size but can the Ace 5m level the lifting capability of the 7m blaze since the ace 5m has an aspect ratio 0f 4.53, much greater compared to blaze having an AR of 3.2? Novice here, need your expert ideas
Power kite afficionado.
ddabao

khooke - 11-6-2007 at 07:43 AM

I don't think the AR is the only factor that affects the lift a kite produces - many race kites have high aspect ratios but produce very little vertical lift. I'm guessing the lift a kite produces is more to do with the profile of the wing? Someone else can probably give you a better explanation?

treblehook - 11-6-2007 at 04:24 PM

Ordered the 5.0 ace last wednesday----sent western union thursday--they recived payment friday----mailed saturday---got tnt tracking #---Pansh email


Your order xxxxxxxxxxxxx is sent out, and may arrive you in about 6 work-days.



Attention:

According to our experience, it has happened before that the package was

damaged during the shipping process. Often, the package was cut by a knife

when it was checked at customs. Therefore, when you receive the package, we

require that you check the package carefully, and the kite inside, to see if

it was cut or damaged. Please, do so before you sign the delivery

confirmation slip. It is very important!! If you find that the package or

the kite is damaged, you should refuse to sign the delivery confirmation

slip. If you follow our instructions, we will be able to solve the problem

for you immediately. If you refuse to sign the delivery confirmation slip,

and thus follow our instructions, we will send you a new package based on

the original order immediately.



Please pay much attention:

Checking the package and the kite and signing the delivery confirmation slip

mean that the package and the product in the package are in good condition.

We will not be responsible for any damage of the content during the shipping

process.

Hope mine is not shreaded

:o:o keep ya'll posted--------------------Herb

Mrlucky - 11-6-2007 at 05:05 PM

I really want to buy one of these kites....just not a good month. Spending way too much money as it is.

Bladerunner - 11-6-2007 at 05:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by treblehook

Attention:

According to our experience, it has happened before that the package was

damaged during the shipping process. Often, the package was cut by a knife

when it was checked at customs. Therefore, when you receive the package, we

require that you check the package carefully, and the kite inside, to see if

it was cut or damaged. Please, do so before you sign the delivery

confirmation slip. It is very important!! If you find that the package or

the kite is damaged, you should refuse to sign the delivery confirmation

slip. If you follow our instructions, we will be able to solve the problem

for you immediately.




Yes,

This happened to someone in Canada almost a year ago. The nice folks at Canada Customs SLASHED the package open with a box knife. :flaming: Pansh was very good. Sent him a new kite and told him he could keep the other.
I now pack my kites for shipping with that in mind. You would think pansh could fix the problem with an international " No cutting " sticker :puzzled:
I'm sure if you refuse reciept and contact them they will make good.

beachrights - 11-6-2007 at 07:48 PM

Here is the new warning from our friends at Pansh about the Ace 5.0:

ACE is not designed for beginners. It is necessary to fly ACE with safety accessories. Otherwise you may easily get hurt

Do they have lawyers in China?! Did anyone approve this lawsuit waiting to happen?! Buy your kite now before they are shut down for stupidity!
Stay away from Rose -shes mine!!

SecondWind - 26-6-2007 at 07:26 PM

Just got back from vacation to the NJ shore and I got in some time (about 3 hrs total) with the Ace.

I used a Flexifoil lineset and Flexi handles and no other adjustments were needed - the kite flew very well :thumbup:

One day the winds were about 20 mph and I was very impressed with the long pendulum jumps I was getting.

It's not as snatchy or as powerful as a 4.9 Blade III, but its a great bang for the buck :smilegrin:

leebrianh - 27-6-2007 at 10:21 AM

You came to NJ? We could have kited together :spin: - Brian

SecondWind - 27-6-2007 at 02:15 PM

I was planning on giving you a call Brian but I got tied up with all the family stuff going on. I only packed the Ace and the 1.5m Bullet.

Next time, I'll bring my gear!