AM OFFICIALLY UPGRADING THIS THREAD TO FORCE 10.bloah - 21-10-2007 at 11:21 AM
what kite would u use in that kind of wind =]Pablo - 21-10-2007 at 11:49 AM
1.8m Century, at 3 times the wind speed, in theory you could crack 150mph.
Eli, why are you still at home on the puter, grab the GPS and get at it.USA_Eli_A - 23-10-2007 at 09:44 AM
IT'S RAINING! I actually use a 3m Instinct Light when it's raining. 60 is very easy, but the kites gotta little more grunt than I would like,
Yakuza's aren't fast when wet. rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh.
then when it's sunny the wind isn't blowinelkiter - 23-10-2007 at 01:15 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Pablo
1.8m Century, at 3 times the wind speed, in theory you could crack 150mph.
Care to explain how this theory can be possible to achieve?
Given the wind speed at 50mph. (Apparent wind? or Actual Wind?)
Where did the 3 times come from?
I'm curious.:wink2:
Thanks,
eawindofchange - 23-10-2007 at 01:59 PM
In theory, you can achieve 3 times the given wind speed if the kite, buggy and conditions are optimum. In reality, we get on average 2 to 2.5 times
the wind speed out here at the dry lake beds. Sometimes you can get pretty close to the magical 3 but it is rare. Still - with 50 mph winds speeds
over 100 mph would be very possible....suicide maybe...but still possible.USA_Eli_A - 25-10-2007 at 09:53 AM
we had nw wind until the weee hours or this morning. soooooo fun, stars, full moon, swwweeeeeeeeetUSA_Eli_A - 25-10-2007 at 03:53 PM
ok, low tide at 6:45 and it's a -1.0. Huge beach, nice nw winds kickin. sweet night riding conditions in seaside!!! Sunset Jim, where you at
?Pablo - 25-10-2007 at 05:56 PM
For the love of pie, someone please stop him from making more posts like this.USA_Eli_A - 26-10-2007 at 10:18 AM
f-word, the beach and the moon keep getting bigger. tonights low tide is perfect again. it's been the sweetest nw wind. PABLO I need to post a lot so
that I to can be a "traction kite know it all" But seriously, the buggying mtb sessions are piling up for me!Pablo - 26-10-2007 at 04:25 PM
Man, I need a good reason to get down that way again soon, Stuck working this weekend, it's supposed to be sunny and windy.USA_Eli_A - 26-10-2007 at 05:21 PM
I'm stuck too, that's why we've gotten out at night. IT'S F-IN WINDY is a good reason to come down!!!:smug:Pablo - 26-10-2007 at 06:26 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by USA_Eli_A
PABLO I need to post a lot so that I to can be a "traction kite know it all"
You think you're actually going to catch me?:singing:
I gotta be ahead at something eh!BeamerBob - 27-10-2007 at 04:00 AM
I feel conspicuous sometimes that maybe I post too much but try to always stay on topic and offer a valid comment or question. I too thought that
with years of contribution, I might catch Pablo. I looked and he posts around 1.5 posts per day and I don't quite make a post a day. So he is
pulling away and in the lead.
Edit: Also, if you just post to post, then you will be deemed irrelevant and not really a "know it all".USA_Eli_A - 27-10-2007 at 03:32 PM
yeah, but I love pie. Pie lovers can post all day long.jellis - 27-10-2007 at 09:09 PM
:D
jellisjellis - 27-10-2007 at 09:09 PM
jellisjellis - 27-10-2007 at 09:10 PM
jellisjellis - 27-10-2007 at 09:13 PM
How many posts do I have to do to catch up with Pablo?:puzzled:
jellis1oldkid - 28-10-2007 at 07:57 AM
Not as many as I do!:PUSA_Eli_A - 7-11-2007 at 06:53 PM
f-this man, I post like 10 times a day. And like Pablo just keeps pulling away. When he comes down here next week, and is away from his computer, we
should have a race to see who can catch Pablo count.JoJo1 - 7-11-2007 at 08:40 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by jellis
How many posts do I have to do to catch up with Pablo?:puzzled:
jellis
DAMN KNOW IT ALLS lmao:moon:
Does that count am I close
Big John
JoJo1Pablo - 7-11-2007 at 09:35 PM
Sorry Eli, don't think I'm gonna make it, forcast is for rain the whole weekend. Hoping to get down there soon though.USA_Eli_A - 11-11-2007 at 12:42 PM
ummm....actually 25-40 wsw winds, gust to 70mph tonight! I probably wont be able to lift my arms on monday. Last night it was blowin 40w with snow
hail rain. Crrrrraaaaaaazzzzzzzzzyyyyyyy weather! I am going to be chasing it on Monday and Teusday. I'm going to use a 4m yakuza in approx
30-40mph winds and try to max out my ATB around 50mph. Good eye on the forcast, BUT if you're planning on coming to ride, that is the forcast you
want. If the winds are up it's time to fly, just bring two or each kite so you can always fly a dry one. the wind pushes the rain out of here in a
hurry. Give me a little notice, I'll get your beach house ready, right next to 18th st.!Pablo - 11-11-2007 at 03:41 PM
Well, we've been having 25-30mph winds all day, wicked day at the local park with the 3.5m. Downside, wet grass, full BF's and a small park are
keeping the speed runs to a minimum. Nothing quite like blasting over a hill at speed either, gonna have to invest in a seatbelt to properly ride the
terrain.
They're calling for 50-70mph winds tonight. Gonna sit that round out.USA_Eli_A - 11-11-2007 at 04:52 PM
cmon pablo, time to take it to the next level. You might want to get yourself into that sort of thing out here tho. 50-70 is the only way to get
100-110 out of a buggy. Sound like the winds workin up there too! Pucker factor 10+:alien:jellis - 12-11-2007 at 10:09 AM
There has always been the theory about three times the given wind speed. When I flew the JOJO RM+ 16 to a speed of 34.8 mph (using GPS) when the wind
meter was reading 3 to 6 mph, is way over that theory. I can only conclude that apparent wind had something to do with it. Still if that is true then
I was flying a RM+16 meter in around a 11.5 mph wind? It is still great to see people trying to fly single lines kites and scratching their heads as
I go blasting by on the beach at Sunset. :o
jellis
PS I thought I would never hear Eli say "Yakuza's aren't fast" LMAOPablo - 12-11-2007 at 11:59 AM
Hey, I'd be going big, but the main problem we're having is that all our sand flats are under water this weekend, only place to fly is a small grassy
park about the size of a football feild if you count a couple hills around it, and it's got a big freaking pond in the middle of it, wet grass all
around it. Standard barrows are hard to hold a line with when underpowered and the full BF's are just crazy, went for a 180 and accidentally pulled
off my first 720. Nothing like having the kite luff and continuing to slide sideways for another 30ft.
I've resorted to going out underpowered and practicing technique. Using the pond as a course and running laps around it. I've finally nailed my upwind
turns and I've figured out this crazy downwind move at speed where the kite ends up straight over your head pointing downwind. I'd go into more
details but it'd take too long and involve crazy diagrams. :frog:
This bites, I wanna fly a 6m, but only have traction for a 3.5m
This is the best park in town in full winter mode. Yes, most of the ridable area is pictured in the pic.
Yakuza's are 'f'in" fast, a little faster than depower kites whilst going for speed. AND I'LL LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT....."YOU REALLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN
HERE ON MONDAY" I'm certain that Yakuza's hold the top speed on 'my' beach! :bisou:
HAHA, YOU REALLY MISSED IT ON MONDAY!:Pjellis - 15-11-2007 at 04:15 PM
Hey Eli just where is this secret beach? You can't be talking about Sunset Beach.
jellisPablo - 15-11-2007 at 06:00 PM
Re-reading it, it sure sounds like he's saying he's the fastest on his own little beach. Using this thought process, one could probaby argue the point
that there's also a beach somewhere in the world where the fastest speed is recorded on a NASA wing.:evil:USA_Eli_A - 16-11-2007 at 11:52 AM
you know you really really missed it....You should have been here! I got all the pie! yum yum for my tum tum!USA_Eli_A - 16-11-2007 at 11:54 AM
Nasa Wings are pimp though. I'm going to paint Aj wheels green at the lake bed next year.Pablo - 16-11-2007 at 05:55 PM
I know I missed it, but work was a calling, hard to say no to double time. Besides, I still got out and took advantage of some 25mph winds here.USA_Eli_A - 18-11-2007 at 01:54 PM
Pablo, just make sure you save up for the spring time. You'll need to be here before and after NABX. That is if it doesn't 'rain' on the lakebed in
march. It's the best here in march and april. Huge beaches and tons of wind.Pablo - 18-11-2007 at 02:35 PM
Trust me, I've got something like 2 months of banked holidays. I'll be down in seaside lots in the spring. Ya can't get rid of me that easily, just
look for the black menace bombing down the beach.USA_Eli_A - 18-11-2007 at 04:45 PM
yyyyeaeeeeahhhhhhPablo - 18-11-2007 at 08:21 PM
If you happen to find an anchor tied to the back axle of your buggy while I'm down there, I know nothing.USA_Eli_A - 21-11-2007 at 12:28 PM
you're supposed to pic on ellis when your down here. I'm on your side. He never finds the stickers i put on his stuff.Pablo - 21-11-2007 at 05:31 PM
Yeah, but I know I'll eventually pass Ellis if I stay out for a couple hours. You on the other hand........USA_Eli_A - 21-11-2007 at 06:11 PM
I take pre-race bribes. I think i want you to earn it though. I'll get your first second third fourth...beers and so on if you pass me on an upwind
reach. If i find and anchor on my buggy, I'll take it off melt it down and make proper weights. If there is a team enduro we should put together a
team repping the NWBPA.Pablo - 21-11-2007 at 06:20 PM
Truth is Eli, following guys like you, Jon, Jim have made me a way better rider. I can learn and practice what I see, but I'm having just a little
trouble trying to think up a new tactic that works that you guys haven't thought up yet. I might have to take up Slaweks advice and (GULP) eat less
pies. I could bribe, but it'd be a hollow victory. If I can just stay close enough, any given sunday, well who knows. May actually score a win.
I'd love to run in an enduro with you as well. I'm sure you could make up for the ground I lose.USA_Eli_A - 23-11-2007 at 12:31 PM
So I took 5 years of sailing at southern oregon university just to be able to keep up thie Jellis. The basic rule of a race, mirror your competition.
Stay right in his tracks, if he(she) is in front of you there is a good reason why, if your behind the rider in front of you, this is the only way
not to loose ground. Tack and jybe and hold his line, acceleration is the key to winning. Finishing a race should be every riders goal. Winning is
a challenge!Pablo - 23-11-2007 at 05:46 PM
So all I need is to follow your tracks, and have someone hang back at the rear of the pack and fowl your lines on your last lap as you're lapping
them, got it.USA_Eli_A - 23-11-2007 at 08:55 PM
but, you'll need to come up with something original. that's been done before, call it the L J. Even had romnake try to get me. Sound like we'll
have some pre-race clinics and some practice too! West winds tomorrow!Pablo - 23-11-2007 at 09:56 PM
Would it be any more even if we made it a triathlon, buggy, atb, surf?jellis - 24-11-2007 at 11:04 AM
Pablo said "Yeah, but I know I'll eventually pass Ellis if I stay out for a couple hours. "
First Wake up your dreaming!
Second JoJo RM+ and Libre Vampir Race Pro rules the beach at Sunset
Third Get a race buggy
Fourth Quit saying "Aye" all the time and concentrate on your course
Fifth Stop following Eli because he is following me
Sixth %*&^()&(*&^%% and )(&*(^%^%% I could go on and on
jellisUSA_Eli_A - 24-11-2007 at 12:05 PM
you're on a roll jon...so I guess you will be racing nabx this year. he he hejellis - 24-11-2007 at 02:05 PM
Sounds great Eli but who else will want to run a FISLY race? You know those hard rules "wind from the right has the right away over a buggy with wind
from the left side in a crossing" or "do not cause a buggier being passed to alter his course" etc etc
JonUSA_Eli_A - 24-11-2007 at 05:16 PM
i memorized fisly rules back in like 2000. I think it's a major advantage to know the rules. Don't you Jon? There really is no way to push the
limits in a race if you can't follow the rules. Wind right is a the best way to remember he who has wind on his right shoulder has the right away
over another rider crossing with his left shoulder into the wind.Pablo - 25-11-2007 at 12:18 AM
Hey Jon, don't you worry, I spent some quality time studying your buggy while you were sleeping. I've had the welder going and think I've got the
super truck tuned in better than it's ever been, just need the new rubber mounted and it should be good.
She's not the same buggy she was 3 months ago. Still needs fine tuning though. I do need some good wind and a low tide. I'ts sort of hard to dial
stuff in with either 4mph winds or 30mph winds and a small crowded park.
When's the first race of the new year?USA_Eli_A - 29-11-2007 at 12:02 PM
Rode from about 9pm to 12am. Straight west winds about 20-25. I went out with a 2.5 cult, so fun cruising about 30-40 in the dark. Longest run from
18th ave all the way to seaside. In seaside the lights from the resorts made it like day. Tyson Baker was there, rode until it started raining
again. The night sessions are piling up for tyson and I.USA_Eli_A - 30-11-2007 at 11:36 AM
It's going to blow us off the map on Sunday. 75-100 mph winds via AI out of WWU MM5. Get rested up Ellis, we have work to do:bird:USA_Eli_A - 2-12-2007 at 11:22 AM
WINDS UP TO 100MPH BY THIS EVENING WILL BE GENTLY ROCKING ME TO SLEEP.USA_Eli_A - 2-12-2007 at 01:08 PM
i've measured 63mph on my hand held wind meter, just found a report for 110 coming sometime tonight through tomorrow night, at about 1145 am. I'm
closing up. going home! Danger!!! ONce we get this sorted and the power comes back, I'll let everyone know the new speed record in a buggy, WITHOUT
A KITE!!!USA_Eli_A - 7-12-2007 at 11:29 AM
5th day no power. hard work keeping up. hope everyone is well.1oldkid - 7-12-2007 at 11:50 AM
What a crappy start to the holiday season!
Yeah we saw the reports on tv from the damage and flooding there, what a mess!
5 days with no power, I'd have gone nuts long before that!
The winds from that storm got to around 40 mph gusts here, it got warm and took all our snow..:barf:
We wouldn't know what to do with winds over 65 mph!
Hope things get back to normal for everyone there soon!USA_Eli_A - 8-12-2007 at 11:57 AM
wow, so living here in winds like that poses many difficult situations. Firstly, I LOVE to watch MM5, It's artificial intelligence, it builds models
of the storms, I have no idea how. But it afforded me the opportunity to see how worked over the coast would be. Low pressure built up big enough to
cover half the pacific towards AK and Jpn. Other smaller forming low pressure built behind it, backfeeding the "big one". Know that it was coming.
Sunday.....Yeah, we flew quite a bit in the 20-40mph winds. Then I recoreded 65 on my wind meter, then it shut off in a huge gust.
MM5 showed by the hour the velocity and direction of the wind was to be strongest between sunday late and early monday.
The power went out on sunday...
monday... morning it was cold, the second storm on its way the temp increase about 20 degrees. NOw its warm, all the sudden tooo. WE came to the
shop just to check things out. Without cell or land phones, no internet cable, power, how was I going to check in with anyone. Around 10 a.m. while
trying to make coffee with misc coleman appliances Dave and Keli Colbert knocked on my door! Asked if we were ok and just wanted to let us know they
were leaving the LB penninsula, heading through floods, closed highways to get to portland to pick up supplies. I felt like I had it under control,
that day the winds shook my house, ripped up all the trees, blew roofing off houses. We got out on I went to the market, backup power only all the
products in the store depleted, I bought all the canned food and room temp beer I could. people stealing... I got home monday afternoon...took a
look at the bay and ocean next too my house. Water spouts sand blowing a hundred feet into the air WHILE IT WAS RAINGIN constantly. Decided to go
for a short drive to look at Sunset Beach, 50 trees down, could barely see the beach from atop the hill. I felt that felling, THIS IS A BAD IDEA.
There was one radio station alive, reporting all they could about shelters, emergeny numbers, there was nothing we could do. Stuck in town, floods on
both sides, hundred and thousands of trees everywhere. I caught word there were 45ft seas coming and to be careful of tidal waves and more flooding.
Teusday the winds were perfect on shore 20mph, I had nothing in me that wanted to kite. Just clean and prepare for a week without power. There were
I beam billboard twisted and bent over. Not a street , or traffic light still conected to the light posts.
an amazing storm,
from about teus on when I went out you could see many PGE trucks GE, pacific power truck picking up the pieces. LIke convoys of army trucks, the
utilities companies were everywhere. Portland area companies brought down truck loads of generators. I have no idea how many people were working on
clatsop county, but it had to be in the thousands.
I would recommend much organization going into a situation like this, thats' all I had to do during the storm, keep organizing, keep clean, stay
stocked on water and non perishable foods. FORGET ABOUT DOING ANYTHING in winds that strong, just walking around with flying debris everywhere isn't
a good idea. I spent the last 5 days on the phone assuring family and friends that everything is ok...
the coast gaurd lost communications, noaa was down, everything gone for first two days, not even 911 worked.
