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15m Synergy

tridude - 15-1-2009 at 12:33 PM

maiden flight today, sweet! Installed the kook proof leaders and stix in the yard before we left. Both stix about an inch too long. Broke out the pipe cutter, trimmed, done. Pre inflate no problems at all. Winds were WSW@ 13. Fill time was pleasing quick for an inland spot. Launch was easy, same as the Vs and Scorps. Airborn top off (total inflate) seemed faster than the Vs and Scorp.

First flight but Id say the 15 is as fast maybe faster than my 13m V. Def faster than the 16m V2 (mind you Venoms are not slow), maybe a tad bit more than the 16m Scorp. Depower was nice, turns very quick, auto zenith as advertised, stable, grunty with pop and nice float. Quality of the sail, VPC bridles, bag, etc awesome. .......very pleased at this point................

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PHREERIDER - 15-1-2009 at 12:54 PM

wow fresh ....appears to be flattened abit , very trim looking.

very nice

tridude - 15-1-2009 at 01:30 PM

your right Phree which explains the pre inflate and speed..........

leebrianh - 15-1-2009 at 01:36 PM

This might be too early to discuss this but what settings did you try and which one are you keeping?

Also, what's factory line length? 27M? I've recently add 3M (total 28M) per your recommendation but didn't have a chance to fly it yet.

mgatc - 15-1-2009 at 02:13 PM

Congrts Don!
Nice looking sail. Just about time for a meet up and kite swap for a day. Hee, Hee.

tridude - 15-1-2009 at 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by leebrianh
This might be too early to discuss this but what settings did you try and which one are you keeping?

Also, what's factory line length? 27M? I've recently add 3M (total 28M) per your recommendation but didn't have a chance to fly it yet.


Brian,

all straps halfway, VPC bridle 2nd knot from the kite, 28m Q powerlines.

Mel,

sounds like a plan.........I need to checkout that big ole sod farm............

BeamerBob - 15-1-2009 at 04:59 PM

Congrats Don, nice looking sail flying. The sod farm in intriguing me as well. A big meet up would be great if Mel can pull it off with the landowner. I've got 2 new kites to share as well.

tridude - 15-1-2009 at 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by BeamerBob
Congrats Don, nice looking sail flying. The sod farm in intriguing me as well. A big meet up would be great if Mel can pull it off with the landowner. I've got 2 new kites to share as well.


yeah we need to set a sfd (sod farm date). So hows the new toyz?

flexiblade - 15-1-2009 at 07:38 PM

Looks a bit wider from the leading edge to the rear than the venoms - I would imagine more floaty because of this - amazing that it can turn as fast or even faster than the venoms with it's extra width. Can't wait to hear more about it.

BeamerBob - 15-1-2009 at 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by tridude
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Originally posted by BeamerBob
Congrats Don, nice looking sail flying. The sod farm in intriguing me as well. A big meet up would be great if Mel can pull it off with the landowner. I've got 2 new kites to share as well.


yeah we need to set a sfd (sod farm date). So hows the new toyz?


I've got a thread going titled Peter Lynn Reactor 4.9. Very nice kite for that mid wind range a 5m takes care of. I didn't have time to fire up the Montana yet. It goes out hopefully tomorrow or Saturday.

I could do the sod farm most any saturday except valentines weekend. I'd just do an out and back for the day to save a buck. I can be there in about 2 hours.

That red/white/blue is my pick of the colors at first glance. Angus, what color did you get? You buggy with it yet?

carltb - 16-1-2009 at 07:53 AM

congratulations on a great choice of kite. this is the best arc to date and imo the 15m is the best size. have fun and enjoy the flooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttt!!!!!

action jackson - 16-1-2009 at 08:16 AM

I have ordered 19m and 12m in rasta for my NZ and Tasmania trip!:wee:...........aj

leebrianh - 16-1-2009 at 08:48 AM

A question to those of you who flew other Peter Lynn kites, is Synergy that good compare to previous PL kites?

This is not a sarcastic question but I was thinking, with only 4 attach point (6 including pulleys) and "C" shape, there is not much they can change other than Aspect Ratio?

From what I heard, Synergy turns faster, right? Any other characteristics they improved from previous PL models? Rather than reading from PL website, I would like to hear from real users.

Again, this is not sarcasm but I have 10M Synergy and 15M Scorpion myself (these are my first PL kites and only flown 10M twice) and I would like to know what I have.

tridude - 16-1-2009 at 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by leebrianh
A question to those of you who flew other Peter Lynn kites, is Synergy that good compare to previous PL kites?

This is not a sarcastic question but I was thinking, with only 4 attach point (6 including pulleys) and "C" shape, there is not much they can change other than Aspect Ratio?

From what I heard, Synergy turns faster, right? Any other characteristics they improved from previous PL models? Rather than reading from PL website, I would like to hear from real users.

Again, this is not sarcasm but I have 10M Synergy and 15M Scorpion myself (these are my first PL kites and only flown 10M twice) and I would like to know what I have.



Im looking forward to your comments after youve flown your 10m on 28m lines. Thinner profile and the VPC have to be key in turning performance for the Syns. Your 16 turns fast too for such a big kite. Similarities between the two---VPC bridle, internal straps, did I miss anything?..................just my thoughts............

tridude - 16-1-2009 at 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by action jackson
I have ordered 19m and 12m in rasta for my NZ and Tasmania trip!:wee:...........aj


nice.........................

BeamerBob - 22-1-2009 at 07:06 AM

So Don, how are you getting along with the Synergy?

tridude - 22-1-2009 at 07:32 AM

so far no complaints........I spoke with Angus yesterday about this...........build and performance awesome! Two flights, one land, one water. Water session last Friday was short but sweet, the windchill was 28 degrees (4/3 suit, booties, hood, gloves ok that's cold for here guys)...................out for about 30 mins, didnt stray too far from the beach (just in case). Upwind performance was sweet, power on/off thru the bar awesome, easy to carve/hold an edge, transitions were a bit off but kite is faster than what Im used to, and it/I was cold. No problem up and plaining in 13 kts. Bottom end maybe 10 kts on my PLYdoor, top end who knows but Id say higher than the specs call for which is 20 kts I believe. Dumped her on the front line, floated nicely to the ground. Popped some sand on her and ran back to the car to warm up/change before packing out....................

It appears Im covered with two kites from 12 to 30kts which isnt too shabby. Have to mention the Q Powerlines are sweet as well................recommend buy a spool and make your own. I made a 28m set for the arcs......................:thumbup:

BeamerBob - 22-1-2009 at 07:50 AM

Sounds nice and like she is doing what you hoped. 28 windchill would be drysuit territory for me.

tridude - 22-1-2009 at 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by BeamerBob
Sounds nice and like she is doing what you hoped. 28 windchill would be drysuit territory for me.


if I had a dry suit...........saving grace the water temp was 55 degrees at the time. New kite and the forecast were the main reasons I went for it. Extremities and head were fine, feet and hands started numbing after 20 mins...................

acampbell - 22-1-2009 at 08:27 AM

AJ flew my Syn 15 last week in Treasure Island. 7:30 in the AM and it was thirty something degrees. He was warmer in his dry suit than were were on shore. He flew back to back with his Venom and noted the faster turning right away.

I did not get a good land session with it but will try this weekend...

lunchbox - 22-1-2009 at 08:28 AM

Quote:

From what I heard, Synergy turns faster, right? Any other characteristics they improved from previous PL models? Rather than reading from PL website, I would like to hear from real users.


Hi Brian,

Please take this with a grain of salt...Although I've flown my Venom II's for quite some time I have only flown the Synergy 19m once on the water for about 20 mins and did a little static flying with my buddy's 15m Synergy.

Turn speed is definitely improved....definitely quicker. More power at the bottom end. Easier to relaunch from the water (note - didn't try it myself,,,just saw a fellow beginner who always dunked his VII's and Synergy's)...

Heard from some instructors as well...better pop and increased hang time with the Synergy's (more floaty).

I do think the auto-zenith is a little better with the VII's. Also, I actually preferred my VII to my instructor's Synergy 19m...But, this was based on just one flight and I think it had a lot to do with the way it was tuned. Turning speed was great though...on the 15m...Whow I was impressed.

....oh, almost forgot...static flew my other buddies 12m. Now that turned really fast....

BTW....your Syn 10m looked sweet in that buggy run with the Blowkart ;-)

tridude - 28-1-2009 at 11:09 AM

2nd inland, gusty session......beach was fogged in and not much wind there this morning..............headed back to the hood in North Chuck................bar tweeks are just about right, clam cleat just out of the picture, safeties deploy nicely, amsteel on the rear leaders, and 28m Q powerlines...................oh and the Synergy aint too bad either.............winds were 18 to 24 gusting and she flew very well. I moved the VPC bridle to the 2nd knot from the bottom, pulled the main strap tensioner in 3/4, and left the wing tip adjuster at half way. Noticed a big diff in sail stiffness and power while turning. Awesome kites for sure....................................


tridude - 1-2-2009 at 07:41 AM

Friday offshore, 10 to 14 kts, Folly Beach county park.......great session............ as the tide drew out more sand available...............great tacks up and down the beach 1/2 mile or so, build up a little speed, nice little floaty jumps or just lean back and cruise........may have found the correct settings for my style but I have the main strap at the deflate opening pulled all the way in, wing tip straps 1/2 way, and VPC bridle second knot from bottom (away from the kite)...sail is stiff, turns fast with power, and drives upwind nicely...........will confirm on next water session.............all in all great kite:duh::thumbup::wow:

PHREERIDER - 1-2-2009 at 06:30 PM

we had amazing session on the water friday as well nice west wind throttled up around 3 , v13 was leading the pack

synergy sounds quick

tridude - 10-2-2009 at 09:32 AM

just a quick down and dirty update from Saturdays meet. Low wind performance from inflation (mother nature) to flying, grunt, speed ,etc...............were very impressive. I had 8m extensions ready to install but not required. The 15 rocked on 28m lines. Upwind easy peasy on the board in 8/9ish flakey winds. BB made some sweet passes and down-loop turns on his first time with an Arc in the buggy! Sweet machine indeed!!:lol::duh::duh:

tridude - 10-2-2009 at 09:33 AM

entered in error (sorry)

PHREERIDER - 10-2-2009 at 10:12 AM

hopefully i will get a turn on Angus'15m SYN on Amelia. domino's deals are breaking my concentration

BeamerBob - 10-2-2009 at 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by tridude
just a quick down and dirty update from Saturdays meet. Low wind performance from inflation (mother nature) to flying, grunt, speed ,etc...............were very impressive. I had 8m extensions ready to install but not required. The 15 rocked on 28m lines. Upwind easy peasy on the board in 8/9ish flakey winds. BB made some sweet passes and down-loop turns on his first time with an Arc in the buggy! Sweet machine indeed!!:lol::duh::duh:


I am a relative newbie on anything depower and was a little apprehensive sitting into the buggy with a 15m kite. It was easy as pie to fly, nothing snatchy, just smooth power. It is a serious kite though, once when the wind picked up, I was hitting some high enough speeds to vibrate the buggy on ground that is smooth but the lumps of grass make small bumps, and I was sliding all 3 wheels with it. I hope Angus gets a chance to fly his synergy saturday between Phreerider and I wanting turns on it.

I'm hooked on downturns in the buggy since kitedog advised me on them. I'm confident with them with my fixed bridles so they felt natural with the synergy as well. Just pull the bar in a little to make a quick turn and I'm sliding through a turn.

acampbell - 16-2-2009 at 08:05 AM

Epic session with the Synergy yesterday on St. Simons Island. There is a new sand bar there that is shaped like a boomerang with about a 1000' on each leg, so it presents itself well for a variety of wind directions. Johnny Laing was there to rip it up with me. The sand bar is narrow enough that it forced us on a tight upwind reach one direction and a deep broad reach the other. The Synergy handled both easily. I was clocking 20 mph upwind in a 12 mph breeze about 45 degrees off the local wind- pretty darn good. Bar pressure became quite firm at just about the point the back wheels would break loose, so it was a very comfortable trim.

Downwinders were a 30 mph park and ride with fingertip steering. I felt that I could have worked the kite for more speed but Left some margin of comfort and maneuvering room considering there were a few dogs and pedestrians. At the end of the run, the sandbar would end at the beach with an up-hill incline and a run-off into soft sand to scrub off speed. There was a considerable wind shadow there that demonstrated the kite's low wind handling well. That, along with the unobstructed full breeze at the other end of the bar gave me a great range to play with and really made me appreciate the range of the kite.

There is so much room for adjustment and trim on these kites that I know it will take a few more sessions to get it completely dialed in but I can definitely feel the potential.

action jackson - 16-2-2009 at 11:31 AM

I've had a few epic session on the 12m and one on the 19m so far. I will be out on the 12m today on a new board! I picked up a 142x42 decay board yesterday so today will be a great test in 15-20 winds. These kites turn so fast! I will be back on the south island tommarrow and will run the 19m thru its paces. So far i have about 12 hrs on the kites and am really stoked on them so far! Happy flying from New Zealand.....................aj

PHREERIDER - 16-2-2009 at 08:40 PM

I THINK THE 12M IS THE TICKET

142 PERFECT SIZE HAVE ONE MYSELF MY BEST ALL AROUND

BEEN ON THE WATER WITH THE 15 PHANTOM CLOCKED SOME HUGE AIRS MAN THAT THING IS FAST ONCE YOU GET HOOKED UP@ 20MPH + AND WHEN YOU SEND IT BACK YOU ARE GOING FOR A RIDE

tridude - 18-3-2009 at 01:54 PM

15 to 17 kts, NE, sons first water/body drag session......he and the kite were awesome.......flying the box, dipping low into power, body surfing a few faces. He and the kite rocked....................., just for grins and giggles, the Rasta color scheme looks sweet on the water...............He'll be up on the board no problem this Friday, weather permitting.........................:lol::duh::duh:

PHREERIDER - 18-3-2009 at 07:06 PM

friday looks a ton for sure

should be solid by midday

looking for a water session

Spring is here!

tridude - 20-3-2009 at 02:08 PM

side off when we got to the beach today so I took the opportunity to practice a couple water relaunches in the breakers/white water.....................


no issues.........LE down, pulled the depower strap all the way in (modified system, the clam cleat depowers more than the factory set up)..........rocked the bar ends side to side till she tacoed...........pulled front lines...................shes off in less than a minute...............

:lol::lol::duh::duh:

tridude - 23-3-2009 at 07:05 AM

set up and cruising with an empty beach and offshore breeze...................................

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tridude - 23-3-2009 at 07:10 AM

set up and cruising with an empty beach and offshore breeze...................................

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tridude - 23-3-2009 at 07:13 AM

set up and cruising with an empty beach and offshore breeze...................................

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tridude - 23-3-2009 at 07:27 AM

set up and cruising with an empty beach and offshore breeze...................................

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BeamerBob - 3-6-2009 at 07:32 PM

OK, the 12m Synergy is here. I've read the manual several times where it talks about the adjustments. Pardon the pun but could you guys with experience with these give me some hints on making "synergistic" adjustments? I can see the individual adjustments and their effect on flight, but where is a good starting point and which way and how much on everything adjusting from low winds to high winds. I'll have a week in about 3 weeks on the beach and want to start out in a good setting and have an idea what to experiment with from there. Don, I saw that you seemed to like the second knot from the kite on the vpc and 3/4 in on the center strap. Good place to start? AJ, Angus, Domdino and others, I'd love to hear what you've learned so far.

zero gee - 3-6-2009 at 08:27 PM

After almost a year I am still flying my 10m and 15m SYNs on the stock Zero7 bar with the bridle set to the middle and all straps set to the middle. I have seen no need to try any other settings for my conditions at home. It is a real pain for me to play with settings so lucky for me the performance, stability and wind range, everything seems excellent. I don't buggy but I do use them on water, snow and on groundboard. I think it is a personal preference thing.

Here is onother persons perspective on the many ways you can fly these kites... http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/arcusers/message/34219

PHREERIDER - 4-6-2009 at 09:49 AM

def a fan of extensions . the post i read on arc users is very close to the style and settings i use..

full through at the bar

mostly all the way out
but have been using 1/2 way settings for a little better upwind performance

once moving, close to stall as the ride allows

depower for relaunch as described

the extensions gives longer power stroke (might be the >190lb. thing)

this is a venom/phantom application
running higher back line tension on the phantom and smoother turns reduces bowties
my impressions
nice arcusers post

tridude - 4-6-2009 at 06:21 PM

1/2 in on the tips and main straps.................................VPC bridle on the middle knot to start and tweek at will..........when kites powered careful on turning from the bar end, it may loop..................................:lol::lol::duh::duh:

ripsessionkites - 4-6-2009 at 08:50 PM

thx for the tip Tri ... will try it it out.

Hardrock - 5-6-2009 at 11:26 AM

Tridude, you and Phreerider should go do a bit of flying right here and let us know when.

http://www.earthcam.com/usa/southcarolina/kiawahisland/

BeamerBob - 5-6-2009 at 11:49 AM

What creds do you have to have to get through the gate? We stayed there in a rental house 14 years ago and I remember the security check at the gate. There are many high profile folks up on the north end of the island that wouldn't want interlopers wandering up on their porch. Should make for some good runs especially up near the golf course among other places.

Hardrock - 5-6-2009 at 02:41 PM

Been there a couple times, Beachwalker park is towards the south end.

Right when you get to that gate, pass the traffic circle, turn right, this takes you to Beachwalker Park. 7 bucks gets your vechile in.

Don't take a dog, if your going south away from people there is a Plover sign down there, No Dogs Pass This Point !! figures,,,

I don't know where that cam is located, was thinking it might be down at the park.

tridude - 5-6-2009 at 04:51 PM

BW isnt for the beer and potatoe chips crowd like myself............Folly and Sullivans Island are prime spots with my kinda peeps................................:lol::lol::duh::duh:

Hardrock - 5-6-2009 at 06:33 PM

I'll second that, GI:spin:

tridude - 7-6-2009 at 06:58 AM

out at Folly yesterday afternoon, winds 13 to 15, Synergy, Phantom, and Venom only ones out on the water. Demoed and old 5'2 RRD directional with the Phantom, not bad at all. Couldnt stay upwind very well but made a nice downwind pass. My son is making nice transitions and really getting the knack of kitesurfing. After watching AJs videos, he has decided on a Crazy Fly all round 145x48. Todays was "the" water session so far for Nate. Basically, we was the only one out, and held his line against the current very well.........................

tridude - 7-6-2009 at 07:04 AM

@ Rip and BladeR,

Ive had my Syn wing tip straps a little less than halfway in and VPC bridle to the next to last knot towards the leading edge and she drives upwind very well. Not sure what the Charger will require. I viewed the bridle pics over on Flexis forum. I assume the bar pressure will be less and tuen even faster?................................:lol::lol::duh::duh:

Bladerunner - 7-6-2009 at 08:46 AM

COOL!

I'm off to try the original Syn' today !

What do people find helps with low wind ? We seem to get a lot of that here.

tridude - 7-6-2009 at 09:22 AM

for the water. board and kite size..........................Im curious how the 145x48 affects the low end on the arcs. A door 59 or 64 should work, not sure about them in chop and waves or of course a 15 or 19m Speed 2 or SA 2.....................:lol::lol::duh::duh:

tridude - 1-7-2009 at 05:28 PM

another epic session today on the 15..........winds got up to 20 mph and was totally lit.......broke out the 13m Venom and the icing on the cake was complete..........awesome kites on H2O ya'll..................................this fall Ill probably pic up a 12 Syn for the higher winds..............:lol::lol::duh::duh::bigok:

tridude - 6-7-2009 at 03:16 PM

early Sunday afternoon winds were 10 to 12 kts and the 15m Synergy and one BIG ole "C" kite were the only two out until the winds came up........the 13's, 12's and 11's watched as the Syn and the Krazy Fly all rounder worked it...........................they're really gonna crap when the SA hits the beach.................................:lol::lol::duh::duh:

PHREERIDER - 7-7-2009 at 07:01 AM

yeah sunday afternoon was on here! hit SEABROOK isl. couple weeks back, very nice flat and 20mph and of course the beach was empty. worked the south inlet up wind to give the club house a show.

reread some of the thread ,, my be a bit late

the arcs like a fast board, flat bottom style will squeeze all the bottom end.

concave bottoms/channels are great controlled rides but require a fraction more wind some even more. slick/ flat with tips rocked up seems chop friendly and big fins makes it controllable early in learning, points and holds line effortlessly. heavy weights go wider not longer.

any way ,

don i do have a 145 flat board with some monster fins(somewhere) if you want to give it a run? it's out of my rotation. if not maybe pass it on to mel or bob. great light wind machine.

BeamerBob - 7-7-2009 at 07:14 AM

I wouldn't mind trying that out the next time (if not spoken for) we can get together with some water nearby. I see myself on the water very soon but don't know what will be best for me boardwise. Most of my riding will be on a nearby lake that would have some wind chop/rollers. Don has a LF that he might hand down to me soon as well. I should get to try it in a few weeks with a visit to Charleston.

PHREERIDER - 7-7-2009 at 07:33 AM

it will get you up for sure and orient you to riding but your board skills will want more fairly quickly, you are welcome to it. with the fins off it's alot more fun, so it has a little range

mgatc - 7-7-2009 at 09:13 PM

Be nice to demo a couple boards from you guys when we get together. I moved the fins on the DIY board of ours out to the very ends. My son has been riding it behing the boat and it seems much more stable. Look forward to seeing everyone.

Bladerunner - 13-7-2009 at 06:28 PM

This kite is quickly making me a better kiter !

Having Rip' with me yesterday allowed me to feel right about flying the Syn. in the 20+ kt range and the kite was still just comig alive !!!!!! I see now that Rip' was right when he said he liked it at 27kts .I also think that following him is helping as well. Jumps with this kite in a good wind are the best I have ever had.

I am having a hard time getting over the mental part of launching a 15m kite when Scudley has just been sent for the worst superman you have ever seen with a 4m Reflex and TDMC is tearing it up with a 2m Ace. :crazy:
:wee:

tridude - 13-7-2009 at 07:13 PM

no question BR,..........my son has been on water for about 2 months now going upwind, jumping, etc..............the twinskins help you progress fast.................he fliys a 15m Rasta Synergy..............................:lol::lol::duh::duh: