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15M phantom FLIGHT! whooooooow!

PHREERIDER - 7-2-2009 at 04:46 PM

boys and girls carltb has dropped a prize on me .....

just finished a ride on PL 15m phantom or should i say flight

this thing might turn slow but fast it does fly! and powered flight let me tell you!

first time ever on a phantom series .....love it

had to do a repair about a 2 foot tear with some LE damage but 30 min. with needle and floss and I'm flying like mAD! solid repair no pucker or distortion maybe lost 1-2cm never know it.

CARL! supreme indeed

i'm grateful

nwsurfwakeskate - 7-2-2009 at 08:31 PM

nice dude! I just got my 15m phanny in the mail on friday. so far there hasn't been any wind yet this weekend so I spent a little time today making some extra spars for it and admiring the kite.

I'm glad to hear you like the 15m Phantom, I love my 12m even though I've only been out on it twice so far. I can't wait to try the 15m.

just out of curiosity, how much wind were you out in and how long of lines are you flying?

PHREERIDER - 7-2-2009 at 08:56 PM

the wind , i guess 10-15mph i had not checked

the lines 30m (i think)

acampbell - 8-2-2009 at 01:52 AM

Love that infectious enthusiasm. several Phannys at NABX pulling heavy buggies at 50 + mph routinely. Bring it to Amelia and I will have a Syn 15m.

nwsurfwakeskate - 8-2-2009 at 03:22 AM

I think the phantom so far is my favorite arc! I need some wind so I can try the 15m to confirm that!

granted the only other arc I've tried so far was a 10m synergy

tridude - 8-2-2009 at 08:08 AM

nice and for 50 squids, the deal of the year so far..................................that floss came pretty cheap Ill bet!:o

carltb - 8-2-2009 at 08:31 AM

glad you like the kite mate. i learnt sooooooooo much on that kite. its so stable, it gives you the confidance to try anything under it. just wait until you get it out in 20+mph winds. the height and float are excllant. i got my first 720 on that kite and in the same session got the 1080.

the phanny has risen from the grave. a kite is just a piece of material unless its being flown!!!!!!!!!!!!

carl

carltb - 8-2-2009 at 08:39 AM

ps 27m lines is the norm

nwsurfwakeskate - 8-2-2009 at 10:02 PM

yes they truely are sweet!

I hope peterlynn decides to make another high aspect kite like the phantom someday!

PHREERIDER - 11-2-2009 at 07:00 PM

JACKPOT!

15-25mph on the ATB for about 15min and ..

Oh yes,.....stupid big air wow best float yet realized then i thinking this is insane jumping like this on land so right to the water

not as much grunt as Venoms but the speed when stretched out is fast and upwind is easy and steep with out work... and all that speed =Vucking nose bleed air ...

incredible, absolutely incredible

riding vintage ...strong and lovin it

PHREERIDER - 7-3-2009 at 04:06 PM

two phantom15 sessions on atb back to back

nice on shore around 15mph about 4hours each day
guys down on jekyll should've gotten good air FRI and SAT

PHANTOM15... KITE OF CHOICE FOR THE LAND FOR ME NOW

LIFT ON TAP CRAZY HUGE AIR

STARTING GOING ONE HANDED JUMPS AND TRANSITION JUMPS , KICKING OUT SOME

hopefully a decent video soon

bar pressure has put the callus' on notice... but worth it,, just don't forget the gloves!

MadKiteBoy - 7-3-2009 at 04:27 PM

Took our 19m venom out today in about 12-13 which dropped 10-8 incredibly smooth and stable kite. dad rode the board and was doin no hands passes.... i am amazed at our smooth these kites are..

WolfWolfee - 7-3-2009 at 04:43 PM

Don't know why they have been so overlooked with land people. Twinskins rule inland... IMHO

BeamerBob - 7-3-2009 at 05:19 PM

You're making me wince with all this lift Phreerider. I hope it is as easy to keep the lift controlled as the synergy and montana are. I'm so anxious to get it here. Q-powerline custom set from Coastal Wind Sports already in hand for it.

geokite - 7-3-2009 at 07:18 PM

Was out today on the beach landboarding in some light wind (6-11) with a 15m Synergy. Kinda wish I had taken out the P15. Phantom's are very good for land stuff, really don't care for them on the water though.

Really looking forward to nabx, hope we get some big wind for the smaller phantoms. I'll never forget the first time JD took a spin with the 9m at El Mirage dry lake; he came back expressing his amazement with how confident the kite feels and then asked for his gps for a speed run.

I was flying fixed bridled foils before phantoms, and the buggy wasn't really doing it for me. I had been doing it for a long time, and the comfort level of handles combined with the threat of kite collapse and the re-inflate in the center of the window was always on my mind. This kept me flying kites that were sized for the gusts, not the average desert wind speed. Arcs changed all that. Now I size for the average wind, because the gusts don't worry me.

tridude - 7-3-2009 at 07:49 PM

would have taken the 19m Syn in those winds (6 to 11)...................... :lol:

:duh::duh:

tridude - 7-3-2009 at 07:50 PM

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Originally posted by BeamerBob
You're making me wince with all this lift Phreerider. I hope it is as easy to keep the lift controlled as the synergy and montana are. I'm so anxious to get it here. Q-powerline custom set from Coastal Wind Sports already in hand for it.

Like I told you over the phone, if you dont like the Phanny Ill take it off your hands........... :yes:

BeamerBob - 8-3-2009 at 04:24 AM

I'm sure it will be fine. I'm encouraged that after months of watching and learning, that the phantom has come to the surface as a much enjoyed kite for land activities and the buggy in particular.

mgatc - 8-3-2009 at 08:00 AM

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Originally posted by MadKiteBoy
Took our 19m venom out today in about 12-13 which dropped 10-8 incredibly smooth and stable kite. dad rode the board and was doin no hands passes.... i am amazed at our smooth these kites are..

I found some old aluminum tent poles and discovered that two sections are EXACTLY 132cm which is EXACTLY the lenght required for a 19m Venom spar. Karma. Poles are lightweight and rigid.

So, kite went out to the new sod farm (more on this at a later date). Wind gauge showed 8 to 9 with regular increases to 12mph. With some trepidation (this thing is REALLY big) I put up the V during a low wind moment and took it to the zenith. Immediately the wind picked up to 14.5mph and lo and behold, I was just standing there, hands off the bar, de-powered, without the harness being pulled up around my armpits. Simply amazing!

Did some static flying to feel it out and again, amazed at the turning speed and ease of handling for such a large sail. Hopped on the board with the kite overhead, Flew it back and forth a few times fully depowered without moving. The kite never even attempted to pull me off the board. I pulled the power strap out halfway, dropped the kite from 12 to 3 o'clock, pulled on the bar and began to role. The effect was like smoothly stepping on the accelerator of a vehicle. No jerk, no snatch, simply smooth acceleration. Speed was perfectly controllable by pulling in or pushing out on the bar. To stop, push the bar full away, pull in depower strap, and let go. Kite STOPS PULLING and floats to the zenith. Absolutly perfect from 7mph to 14mph!

Many thanks to Geokite for the sail and Stephdip for the bar and lines. You guys have made me very, very, happy.

:yes:

WolfWolfee - 8-3-2009 at 08:04 AM

Welcome to arc world

kitedog - 8-3-2009 at 08:14 AM

Man...it was all I could do to keep the V2 13 in the bag yesterday. I was pushed for time and didn't feel like experimenting so the Pulses got the call yesterday but I plan on busting the PL out on the 21st in Aiken. Is everyone up for Beech Island on the 21st? Let's see how many Arcs we can get up in the air at the same time!

mgatc - 8-3-2009 at 08:15 AM

I'm 51 and I feel like I just discoved sex:singing:

WolfWolfee - 8-3-2009 at 08:17 AM

It is a little frustrating at first but well worth the effort. I had 15 mph winds yesterday gusting up to 24 and it would just sit up top and wait. Awesome

macboy - 9-3-2009 at 09:27 AM

You bugger! Flying without us newbs huh?! hehehe I thought you said you had to work?

Alberta boys - look what we missed (from ArcUsers forum):
"Lots of fresh powder snow today so riding a little smoother and able to grab
enough edge to get some nice jumps in. In the 25 mph winds (top edge wind
speed)a simple pop on the bar and up you went and the float was the nicest I've
experienced but the lift can be very quick."

C'mon! You're supposed to be transferring those skills down to us! :lol:

acampbell - 9-3-2009 at 09:50 AM

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Originally posted by mgatc
I'm 51 and I feel like I just discoved sex:singing:

What are you doing to that kite!?

acampbell - 9-3-2009 at 09:52 AM

I know where I could get a couple of 18m Phantoms, new, kite only....

PHREERIDER - 17-3-2009 at 07:29 AM

progress note with the P15

same day on ATB: having a real TOESIDE MOMENT

transition air to TOESIDE followed by scorching down loop turns (both ways)

TOESIDE powerslides

transition air from TOESIDE to TOESIDE

transition air from TOESIDE to heelside

transition air backside 360 (backroll) last of the day finally got one super smoothed out one of those closed eye moments where Vuck it ...and you go wow that was effrotless

any way this is about 21/2- 3hours and 200 trans with side shore wind
it has taken about 2 days for my abs, knees and ankles to feel normal.

phantom progress it's a beautiful thing

BeamerBob - 17-3-2009 at 07:47 AM

That phantom is going to get her feelings hurt if you don't get her on your sig! How much throw does your bar have for the phantom? Any tuning tips to enhance performance in my typical low winds? Put on your non-lift no safety belt in the buggy hat for me.

PHREERIDER - 17-3-2009 at 08:28 AM

around 20 inches dead slack at the top which is fine up to about 20mph and stall at the bottom. i have run this knowing i could use more back line tension for heavy winds. i think 15-18inches is normal

end knot on the front leaders gives fullest range, up closer to the kite will blunt it a little. internal strap let it out a little(1/2") at a time for light winds but half gets the most i feel. when the internal strap is let out it softens the feel. go with what you got see how it feels.

lift is a function of the speed of the kite going to the zenith, you control that and you have the bar to sheet out

f0rgiv3n - 17-3-2009 at 08:42 AM

How do you temporarily land your ARCs PHree? I know you fly alone which I do as well. Is one option to land it LE down and stake the bar with it powered up? Or do you pull the release each time?

PHREERIDER - 17-3-2009 at 09:36 AM

the back stall landing with roll to the sliding ring side then unhook is the neatest twist free option up to about 15-18mph , suicide leash has to be switched to the slide ring it will surprise you about one time.

the v13 is controllable fully stalled straight down the window.

temporarily landing?? ..land or fly... in between you will damage it /or bowtie and that sucks

never stake the bar/loop..... a sand bag for the kite is a good option

"LE down" ... it must be really light wind or you WILL damage the rig trying to do this. in super light air there are some "kinda safe" options but just drop it and reset.

"pull the release" you mean unhook and let the bar go and allow the leash to flag the from the front line. you should use this until you are good with the stall.

accepting the fact that landing means complete reset, period, if you're solo.

land it, do what ever and launch. the launches became brainless in time.

the temp land is??? ....back stall, HOPE the kite clams and sits there, then snatch launch it open but only in light wind. better make "what ever" quick

set up for stall with the bar in all the way, keep it neat for quick reset is the best you can do solo

f0rgiv3n - 17-3-2009 at 10:24 AM

Ok, great advice man thanks for the time to write that up. I will unhook until I figure out how to do the stall thing. Thanks!!!

mgatc - 17-3-2009 at 11:19 AM

Phree, if I understand correctly, you do not need to activate the red emergency release to drop the kite? You can simply unhook, let go of the bar, and the kite will flag out on the leash line?
Now that I think about it in this context, I think this is correct. Dang I'm smart :crazy:

Mel

BeamerBob - 17-3-2009 at 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by mgatc
Phree, if I understand correctly, you do not need to activate the red emergency release to drop the kite? You can simply unhook, let go of the bar, and the kite will flag out on the leash line?
Now that I think about it in this context, I think this is correct. Dang I'm smart :crazy:

Mel

That's the way mine works. My complete disconnect safety opens my chicken loop and it slips out of the spreader bar, flagging the kite on one front line.

PHREERIDER - 17-3-2009 at 12:28 PM

yes ( remove the finger lock( donkey dick) from the harness) unhook and let go.

now for the "i got time on my hands" homily.

using the red pull is good practice but use as much as you want to replace it,

you want it in good service ... not seized up or frayed from use

when the red pull comes to mine i have already unhooked manually.

if an emergency arrives under load it most likely too late, no reflex will help, but all the holy bits and pieces moments i have worked through land and water are slack....and then seconds later sudden full load THAT IS the time from red pull or ninja manual unhook.

as fly time accumulates in your body and mind 99% of trouble you see, you see it coming. and you are prepared to ride it out and evade or "red pull" out. the mental option is kept apparent by checking constantly, at first, with out pulling it(you've already done that enough). its ready status is all you need, IE location, position, and positive engagement. it kinda becomes a hand rest when you relax and cruise and your reflex will be even quicker because your hand will go there without thinking. and that is what the red pull is all about.. i always liked older naish quick releases, hooked in pulling it to you seats it, so you use it like a saddle horn(grip and push out activated it) and constant attention was needed to make sure it was seated fully. the liquid force loop is cool but the slide always required spit EVERY launch, it always had drag and very stiff to operate the first time (dry sand from the previous session)but conscience awareness everytime.

mgatc - 17-3-2009 at 01:05 PM

Nicely stated.
Thanks

BeamerBob - 20-3-2009 at 11:32 AM

Well, you guys have another amongst your arcumsized ranks. I flew my Phantom this morning in light winds and it was perfect conditions for a shakedown cruise. This kite is going to be perfect for those gusty inland winds I always have to deal with. A gust would hit it that would have me on the edge of my seat (literally) with a fixed bridle and the phantom would just shudder a little and soak it up. After I had it in the air static for awhile I realized I was thirsty and walked over to the car upwind with my back to the kite, opened up the car door and got my water bottle out and took a drink, all while the kite happily hovered up at zenith. Unbelievable. I didn't have enough wind to really be able to throttle it up for buggy acceleration but I can certainly see the potential. Lift is very manageable as well. I could go flying up the field and pull the kite to the top, turn the buggy and then speed off the other way with no air under my seat. Tridude, phreerider, and now mgatc aren't crazy in spite of what you might think. Well maybe you think I'm just crazy too now! :ninja:

:wee:

f0rgiv3n - 20-3-2009 at 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by BeamerBob
Well maybe you think I'm just crazy too now! :ninja:

:wee:

Well, it's a little late for that :singing:

BeamerBob - 20-3-2009 at 12:05 PM

Well then I'm just confirming what you guys already had in mind then. Onward and upward. :thumbup:

tridude - 20-3-2009 at 12:48 PM

congrats BB.................sweet machines the arcs are....................looking forward to a go @ Edisto.................... :lol:

:duh::duh:

acampbell - 20-3-2009 at 12:52 PM

Good show! Any trouble with the first launch?

tridude - 20-3-2009 at 01:59 PM

no problems on launch via phone call...................... :thumbup:

macboy - 20-3-2009 at 05:33 PM

I feel like a whole new world has opened up to me! I hated pulling the pin on the chickenloop so I'd fly as long as I could then pack up. Unhooking! Duh! What was I thinking? Thanks for that pearl of wisdom.

action jackson - 20-3-2009 at 05:53 PM

I've been trying to tell yall that since 2005!:wee:..........aj

Quote:

Originally posted by BeamerBob
Well, you guys have another amongst your arcumsized ranks. I flew my Phantom this morning in light winds and it was perfect conditions for a shakedown cruise. This kite is going to be perfect for those gusty inland winds I always have to deal with. A gust would hit it that would have me on the edge of my seat (literally) with a fixed bridle and the phantom would just shudder a little and soak it up. After I had it in the air static for awhile I realized I was thirsty and walked over to the car upwind with my back to the kite, opened up the car door and got my water bottle out and took a drink, all while the kite happily hovered up at zenith. Unbelievable. I didn't have enough wind to really be able to throttle it up for buggy acceleration but I can certainly see the potential. Lift is very manageable as well. I could go flying up the field and pull the kite to the top, turn the buggy and then speed off the other way with no air under my seat. Tridude, phreerider, and now mgatc aren't crazy in spite of what you might think. Well maybe you think I'm just crazy too now! :ninja:

:wee:

PHREERIDER - 20-3-2009 at 07:46 PM

nice shoot

phantom ride

backtoback venom/phantom session on the water

phantom is magic out thin air

mgatc - 20-3-2009 at 08:01 PM

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! Let's just keep this as our little secret!

In fact, we must get THIS message out: Arc's are awful. Hard to launch and land. IMPOSSIBLE to water re-launch. Have no power, lift, or float. Are totallly un-manageble in gusty winds. Takes two hands on the brake line to turn it.

So.

SELL, SELL, SELL your Venoms, your Synergys, your Phantoms TODAY before they become completely worthless! Take whatever offer you recieve from someone (like me

) who is foolish enough to want one of these "Rags". Accept that lowball offer and volunteer to pay for the shipping to get these poor excuses of a sail out of your quiver today!

AJ, BB, Tri, Phree and myself accept the hardship of taking these kites off of you hands before the market for them completely collapses. It is the least we can do in support of kiters everywhere. U2U now! Don't wait! :lol:

tridude - 21-3-2009 at 07:51 AM

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Originally posted by mgatc
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! Let's just keep this as our little secret!

In fact, we must get THIS message out: Arc's are awful. Hard to launch and land. IMPOSSIBLE to water re-launch. Have no power, lift, or float. Are totallly un-manageble in gusty winds. Takes two hands on the brake line to turn it.

So.

SELL, SELL, SELL your Venoms, your Synergys, your Phantoms TODAY before they become completely worthless! Take whatever offer you recieve from someone (like me

this mans possessed...................I will take a 24m Synergy though...................:o:o :thumbup:

acampbell - 21-3-2009 at 08:37 AM

Thanks for the tip Mel. I have Syn 12's and 15's in each color and want to sell them now. Heck they are so bad even PL wants to sell all they have. They are bringing the new Charger twinskin to NABX and I bet they will be compelled to sell them on the open market. Just glad my customers didn't get the memo on the collapsing economy. The news about the twinskins is bad enough.

macboy - 21-3-2009 at 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by acampbell
The news about the twinskins is bad enough.

:puzzled: Did I miss something? Was there bad news in Twinskin land?

acampbell - 21-3-2009 at 01:39 PM

read mgatc's post ;-)

MadKiteBoy - 21-3-2009 at 06:56 PM

VERY LARGE TONGUE IN CHEEK:duh:

mgatc - 21-3-2009 at 07:28 PM

Angus
I may have to make the sacrifice soon and take a couple of those Syn's off your hands. I supposed if all else fails I can use them for shower curtains :lol:

What's the deal on the Charger? I haven't heard anything about it. Bug engine perhaps?
mg

macboy - 21-3-2009 at 09:20 PM

Oh. Yeah, that's REAL BAD news. :crazy:

acampbell - 22-3-2009 at 06:01 AM

They are being real coy and saying squat besides they think the graphics are real cool. But they will also have the new Vapor race kite and the new Core all-around foil next week at NABX and I'm sure there will be reports.

BeamerBob - 22-3-2009 at 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by acampbell
Good show! Any trouble with the first launch?

Piece of cake. It was just like in the videos I've been watching to know what to expect. Tridude has been helping me along with the parts I didn't feel comfortable with. I just made sure it was well inflated, hooked up the lines, hooked in and backed up 45d to the wind (short version here). When I put tension on the downwind lines, it just pulled up in the air and went to zenith waiting for further instructions. Only issue is that the pilot must remember during inflation to zip up the deflation zipper. Not doing so really hampers preinflation. :rolleyes:

:duh:

BeamerBob - 22-3-2009 at 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by action jackson
I've been trying to tell yall that since 2005!:wee:..........aj

Quote:

:wee:

Hey, is that my kite? Mine apparently came from taper123 via nwsurfwakeskate.

I see more arcs in my future. I'm not in a hurry unless a scorcher deal comes along. I need to get more experience with what I have and some sessions on fellow SoFKA synergies, venoms and such. I feel like I'm starting all over again but its much easier this time.

acampbell - 22-3-2009 at 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by BeamerBob[/I]

Piece of cake. It was just like in the videos I've been watching to know what to expect. Only issue is that the pilot must remember during inflation to zip up the deflation zipper. Not doing so really hampers preinflation. :duh:

Heh heh. Done that with the Neo.

action jackson - 22-3-2009 at 04:57 PM

That kite is not yours, i still have it but it has seen better days. It is a pale fade blue! with lots of duct tape. I flew that kite hard for 3 ys...........aj