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Originally posted by rtz If you just want something cheap to start out on or practice with; do a google search for "SDS Mountain Board". Less then $100 new(be sure it's the new version with foot straps). http://www.sdsskateboards.com/completesmountain.htm

HRMMMM Are any of the parts on that board "standard"? If I wear out tires, wheels, bearings, trucks, could I buy better ones to upgrade or would I have to toss whole thing and buy new?

If you go with SDS, be mindful that you are getting the newest/latest version with the maple deck. The older versions used some other material for the deck, and they felt very flimsy just standing on them.

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Originally posted by Trbo323 anyone have any experience/opinions on the MBS core 95?

I ride the Core 95. I really don't jump much but when I do the flex of the board really smooths out the landing (less impact than landing on my feet) I really like the core 95 better than the 90 but it is pretty good too. I like the bindings on them both. The 95 has nicer trucks, Vector, which look pretty tough. Like I said it is nicer than the core 90 but the difference is about $100 and I am not sure it is that much nicer for what I do which is mainly mow the lawn. Some day I will get better at tricks and the 95 will be just fine. Never had a sds board but I would probably stick with a GI, MBS, scrub or Trampa unless you are pretty light.

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Originally posted by lamrith Quote: Originally posted by rtz If you just want something cheap to start out on or practice with; do a google search for "SDS Mountain Board". Less then $100 new(be sure it's the new version with foot straps). http://www.sdsskateboards.com/completesmountain.htm HRMMMM Are any of the parts on that board "standard"? If I wear out tires, wheels, bearings, trucks, could I buy better ones to upgrade or would I have to toss whole thing and buy new?

They are standard. I could swap trucks/wheels/bearings if I wanted. The old deck wasn't equipped with proper bindings- they just had some plastic hooks to put your foot against. It appears that the new version has proper, basic bindings.

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Originally posted by burritobandit Quote: Originally posted by lamrith Quote: Originally posted by rtz If you just want something cheap to start out on or practice with; do a google search for "SDS Mountain Board". Less then $100 new(be sure it's the new version with foot straps). http://www.sdsskateboards.com/completesmountain.htm HRMMMM Are any of the parts on that board "standard"? If I wear out tires, wheels, bearings, trucks, could I buy better ones to upgrade or would I have to toss whole thing and buy new? They are standard. I could swap trucks/wheels/bearings if I wanted. The old deck wasn't equipped with proper bindings- they just had some plastic hooks to put your foot against. It appears that the new version has proper, basic bindings.

Hrmm even with the crap binding I just need to get moving. Flying static is fun, but has been killing my hands/arms, if I can get some motion it will drop the load a bit. Having snowboarded, this would be the most inexpensive way to do that and is super portable.

k, if the conflict is in decent condition i think i will jump on that then

Check what year it is.

If both the Patrol and Conflict are 2010, then it's a bargain.

Originally the Conflict was more expensive than the Conflict.

I expect that Windzup has just priced it to MOVE because they are clearing out there store for the new 2012 winter gear.

Sorry I didn't get a chance to reply to your U2U. Fell asleep early because I was up the night before last. Just got woken up by a terrified dog (lightning and thunder).... it's going to be a long night.

ATB,
Sam

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Originally posted by indigo_wolf Check what year it is. If both the Patrol and Conflict are 2010, then it's a bargain. Originally the Conflict was more expensive than the Conflict.

More coffee, sam!.....well, you probably just needed a bit more sleep.

That's what happens when a terrified dog wakes you up in the middle of the night when you have gone a night without. Despite all best efforts, she still thinks she is a lap dog at 40-50 lbs.

It was supposed to read:

The 2010 Conflict was originally more expensive than the 2010 Patrol.

I fell alseep long enough to get woken up for the morning feeding of the fuzzy hordes... working on the second cup of coffee and the brain cells are still stumbling around.

ATB,
Sam

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Originally posted by indigo_wolf That's what happens when a terrified dog wakes you up in the middle of the night when you have gone a night without. Despite all best efforts, she still thinks she is a lap dog at 40-50 lbs.

Hrmmm Trademark idea!

Sam you need to make a pet bed that is shaped and patterned like a pair of legs... Maybe a small heating blanket element so it is warm like the real thing..? Just sayin. Could hit the 2nd hand store and get a pair of oversized jeans, sew up, stuff, etc..:singing:

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Originally posted by indigo_wolf Check what year it is. If both the Patrol and Conflict are 2010, then it's a bargain. Originally the Conflict was more expensive than the Conflict. I expect that Windzup has just priced it to MOVE because they are clearing out there store for the new 2012 winter gear.

do you know what they changed? and yes the one from windzup is the one i am most interested in, heres the other two iv found

http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=18462

http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=18491

i see that the newest conflict is not a wood deck, is this a plus? nobody has answered me on my question about the decks yet, i really dont know what the difference is and what it means for a board. without any knowledge on it im assuming that a non-wood deck is typically better than a wood deck but id like to hear what you guys have to say on it

at what point did they change the deck on the conflict?

Generally, if a mountainboard deck is made of wood, it is maple. The amount of stiffness in the deck is determined by the number of layers/plys used. It tends to make for a heavier board, that is (over time) more prone to water damage and delamination if the board is not cared for properly.

Synthetic boards are more expensive but hold up better and retain their flex characteristics over time. Depending on the board some of the synthetics useds in mountainboards include fiberglass, kevlar, carbon fiber, and/or mil-spec thermoplastics.

Pre-2010 Patrol 106 - http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=18462 (First link in your post)


2010 Patrol - http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=18491 (Second link in your post)

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Between the two Patrols they changed the graphics. The earlier Patrol (106) is 106 cm (41.7 inches) long. In 2010, they lengthened the board to 110.4 cms (43.5 inches).

By comparison, the Conflict is 115.8 cm (45.6 inches).

Both Patrols are made of what they refer to as Bomberlite. This is a board that is made of layers of maple and fiberglass (so it's a bit of a hybrid). To this they add a grippy vinyl top and bottom coat which the board graphics are applied to.

In 2010, they also added a PTEX base to the bottom of the Patrol that was not there in previous years. PTEX is a high density polyethelene that's very abrasion resistant and slick. This basically facilitates doing board slides and protects the bottom of the board. If the PTEX bottom gets gouged or scored, it can be repaired in the same way as snowboard bottoms are.

As far as I know the Conflict has always been a Heliocore deck. Heliocore is another GI trademark name. It basically layers of composite materials (GI never specified what composites) over a injection molded foam core. The flex characteristics are fine tuned with fiberglass "stringers" (inserts) that run the length of the board.

Hopefully that covers most of your questions.

FWIW: A lot of people have started on lower specs boards than any of the three you are looking at.

ATB,
Sam

ya i expected that, but im not really one to stick with a beginner setup for long so i typically just save money in the long run by skipping over it, iv done it with pretty much all of my hobbies/sports and while it causes a few headaches here and there it typically works out for the better.

thanks for the description on the decks, that helps a TON

im familiar with ptex and repairing it, i snowboard as well (another reason i wanted to get into kites)

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Originally posted by Trbo323 ya i expected that, but im not really one to stick with a beginner setup for long so i typically just save money in the long run by skipping over it, iv done it with pretty much all of my hobbies/sports and while it causes a few headaches here and there it typically works out for the better. thanks for the description on the decks, that helps a TON im familiar with ptex and repairing it, i snowboard as well (another reason i wanted to get into kites)

Just go ahead and save a little longer and get the last board you ever will need . A TRAMPA! best money can buy, and you can get any parts you want later to bling it out.
I started out with a Scrub Quasar, but I always wanted a TRAMPA. And they are worth the additional loot

Oh yeah, they got titanium kingpins and axles now too! I got the Ti king pins already ,next is the 10mm Ti axle hangers. The hangers are 77 dollars each.

picked up a 2010 GI conflict for $250 shipped

That'll work for your first year or two. By then you will want to boost big and land hard. Then you will WANT a TRAMPA. You'll see.... enjoy and ARMOR UP!

Absolutely second the ARMOR UP!

HillBilly Crash pads are phenomenal. Buy em and love them.

got some crash pants and elbow pads from paintball already and a helmet from snowboarding, if i really want to go crazy i have some upper body armor for my ATV (looks more like a upper torso and arms bullet proof vest) but i think that one will be a bit more constricting than the other stuff

Trbo-wear the armor, you'll be thankful you did. I wear a summer-weight armored motorcycle jacket up top, no loss in mobility.

I flipped a kite buggy and had surgery earlier this yr., Wear the upper armor. I got some now from Rockgarden,wear it anytime i'm in the #@%$#!pit.