good stuff mark!

V17 story hits close to home here for sure, i am the same way.

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Originally posted by PHREERIDER good stuff mark! V17 story hits close to home here for sure, i am the same way.

That would be with a Venom 13 right?

V 13 RTF (1 or 2?) up for sale on the Kitecrowd forum - says it had a lot of repairs but all done professionally, asking £200

must.
resist.
D-ARC.
side.

Ohh WTH am I saying!?!?:dunno:

Resistance is Futile, its just a matter of time:Ange09:

I just looked at Kitecrowd a few interesting rigs for sale, but whats with all of them being heavily repaired?:puzzled:

V13 ! overclocked it into the 40s , as well as a V16 when i was 25 lbs. heavier.


oh the clarity!

Nice write up Mark !

I agree that something similar on your experience with Ocean Rodeo development would be great !

The folks at OR are just over on Vancouver island and have always been respected for making kites that will stand up to our rough beaches. They deserve more respect on land!

You could do a write up just on the progression of the Maco alone !

OR wet and dry suits are revolutionary !

Sorry for the side track.

Anyone interested in a Synergy 15M?

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Originally posted by Bladerunner I agree that something similar on your experience with Ocean Rodeo development would be great !

I think the arc is a unique design with a heritage that has remained within within the Peter Lynn brand. Inflatables while interesting in their overall development there are far more flavours of apples in this basket. What Ocean Rodeo has done with their kites and boards could be argued is what many companies do exploring their own ideas and many following trends - some setting them. It is so much a personal choice in brand and riding style that quite often getting a good deal is all many people are interested in because gear gets cycled through a little faster. For me, Ocean Rodeo is more about the personality of the company and most of the people that support the brand. I've always enjoyed and respected the people I've dealt with and it's a company that has always been upfront with me about everything - just some really good people and also being a Canadian Company adds to my support for them. Not all products have been great and even though I like riding certain kites and boards each for different reasons - I know there are others that really don't care for them - to each his own.

I got involved with them when they started out and Active People (Brian Smith) became the distributor. What was more interesting at that time was the relationship with Peter Lynn and the intro of the arc line and the interaction from that point onward. Still remember going to the Active People office and seeing the first big F Arc pulled out and hanging up across the stock room wall - huge, kites always look bigger indoors as well.

okay i gotta stop wandering around in story time on this thread.

Getting back to the twinskins, another thought on my wish list of a few designs for specific purposes: 1) entry level with stability/more robust/cheaper price 2) performance model for surf, snowboard, landboard etc more about speed, solid power and good pop 3) land based speed model
I was also thinking that they do not really need a broad range of sizes for each. For a beginner to intermediate model you don't need the smallest sizes or the largest just 2-3 mid sizes, maybe just 13-16. For the land based speed design more on the smaller end like a 6-9-12. For the general performance model that would be the flagship design needing a broader range of sizes.

okay I'm taking this topic off in another direction again.

- ahh, last thing, a buddy that has been to NABX was just telling me the other day his Synergy 15 is starting to get worn and he might have to start looking for a back up Syn 15 if it's a good deal to prepare for the day his current one is done. Was it the one on Kitecrowd?

"Getting back to the twinskins" ...

They tried that with the Vortex I think Mar - entry level low AR stability etc but I'm betting it didn't sell well and everyone went for the venom.
I'm betting Feyd will chime in with his thoughts on the P2 and Chg2 - you might just get your wish :D

Don't forget the fatties! I NEED a 24!!!

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Originally posted by AD72 Anyone interested in a Synergy 15M?

I am but as I said earlier ---^^^^^ , must come from EU.

I've seen some posts of you in kitecrowd and you sometimes go to the UK.
If the price is good and you can send it from there, maybe we can do business,

Regards...

P.S.: I'm currently biding on a 15M Phantom RTF. Let's see if I can make a good deal out of it, :D

I think I've posted this somewhere before but I think it does a good job of illustrating the Phantom 2's flight characteristics in medium winds.

You will notice that she turns fast. It CAN turn as fast as the Charger but I was just off a wrist surgery when this was shot so I'm lacking the muscle to work her hard.

She's fast across the window but tends to sit sorta on the center. Very stable, no "Charger Twitch". Lifts like a Syn, glides like a Scorp (IMO).

You will note the upwind abilility. (see snow blowing across the ice at around 2:34) Note the snow direction relative to my ski angle. It's not F-Arc style but it's damn good.:singing:

I don't know how to embed the vid, sorry. Hit the link.

http://youtu.be/bMmVygMdJ9o

nice

Yeah that is som great footage..

Feyd, are those S1's parabolics or old straight sides??

That ski has a carve radius of about 21m. It was designed for GS type skiing which wih more modern skis would have too much sidecut. These skis are minimal side cut (maybe 10mm)so there isn't the constant engaging and disengage that you have to deal with on a more shapely ski.

I prefer skis in more the 45m+ carve radius. But those skis were actually a lot of fun. Long enough and straight enough to haul the mail but soft enough that I could bang some short carves on 'em.

BTW; there is a brand new Vortex 14m on ebay.com (little steep imo)
as well as Venom 16 and what looks like a prototype Bomba 13m

Several years back I had a great time ATBing with Bomba 13m on Large PL handles and 27m lines.
Rock solid, fast turning (on handles not so much on a bar)

Yeah that Bomba caught my eye earlier. Fingers crossed....

525.00 on a brand new 14m kite - that's very reasonable for a new kite. Think of the fabric and everything, like getting two new 7m foils for 250.00 each - that's really cheap unless it was some knockoff kite.
Now the other kites have way lower bidding and you might get lucky but they do have reserves on the pricing - wonder what that is.

SHHHH!!!
Quietayy on the bombayaay!!

Lamy needs a Depower!:ticking:

Awesome thread here.

No surprise one of the lowest aspect ratio Arcs would get beat on the upwind by its higher aspect ration brethren. Lower aspect ration means a lower maximum theoretical lift-to-drag ratio.

Philip

okay off topic again but there were a couple of Russian guys living in Toronto that had arcs and would head down to Hatteras early spring and there were always good stories like screwing snowboard boots to boards to use in colder water and getting looks from guys in Hatteras and the other story was when he had his new arc and going through US customs at the boarder and car packed with gear and bags jammed in everywhere and maybe because of their heavy accents they were told to go over to the side. He's telling me the story "agent make me pull over and check car, he ask what is in bag in trunk, I tell him is bomba"
almost tore his car apart thinking he was playing games with them.

"is bomba"

Here is a theory why ARCs do not do well as low wind kites for kitesurfing and applications that have more surface drag: Forced air is used to pressurize and create the structure of the twin skin, they need higher wind speeds to achieve a rigidity to create the necessary grunt/pull. Or is that a load of malarkey and when they fill up they are just full regardless of windspeed?

I think this spy footage may also have come from those Russian guys - someone was about to fly a clean prototype at NABX

http://vimeo.com/30887253

wow ! the first thing i always see, to notice about the new arc proto is this seemingly ultra-thin profile ! looks very nice! should fill faster then with less internal volume :-)
i hope PL works on the air-intakes. thats big problem with arc kites: this prefilling procedure. prefilling to some 60 or 70% works fine even in low winds. then it would be really nice if the air-valves would work better and do the complete fill during launch ASAP. look at the flysurfer valves: they literally seem to suck the air in, while the air intakes of PL arcs rather seem to be "closed lips". (or maybe i am just a burned scorpion kid. with my synergy its almost fine. but there is much room for improvement, after i tried flysurfers. )

I gotta admit the intake on the VIO kites are friggen sweet.

My Scorps beld air like mad. And we sealed up all the vents except one to see if it was leaking out the vents. I didn't make a bit of difference in the air loss and funny thing, it inflated in flight just the same.

Made me wonder if you could place intakes in both the leading edge and somewhere mid-wing (for preinflation like an open cell foil).

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Now the other kites have way lower bidding and you might get lucky but they do have reserves on the pricing - wonder what that is.

Same Venom and Bomba are also listed on ikitesurf.com, $250/each