LOL...OMG!

...RTF...KO...or WE!

BYOB to WBB!

BFN!

:puzzled:

When I bought my Neo from frathouse, I complained that he hadn't included the leash, as I had sent my only one along with the Ozone kites that it came with, when I sold them. I was embarrassed to find out that HQ had indeed sold the kite without the leash. Brad was great, and gave me the leash he had bought, no extra charge. I don't know if HQ still considers the leash as an extra, it is required for the 5th line safety system, so I made a(wrong) assumption at the time.

LSMFT!(there's an oldie, hint: no longer in production)

With skimtwashington's texting savy I'm thinking he might be a 14yr old girl. =)

BTW it's snowing on Washington right now. I think they have 5" at the moment.

Bone dry here in the valley tho. =(

a little late to this post as well but..

RTF for me means everthing that came with the rtf kite new..
this depends on the brand of course but in my case..

RTF is kite/bag/lines/bar with leash and what ever else i got with the kite..

a peter lynn bar comes with the leash so should be sold with it, the same goes for the DD..

now if someone sells a SET UP then you have to start expecting a harnest and a board

i'm sure even then you would get a goofhead expecting the wet suite, booties,helmet goggles, undies and heck even the car to drive them to the site :-D

id just like to add that if i was selling a bar only, i wouldnt include a leash.

if we are talking PL kite sold ready to fly, well then that all depends on what bar you are using. any bar apart from the nav bar has the safety leash attached but a suicide leash can be added to the bar. should that be added to the package to?

I'm with Stephdip on this one.

By this logic there are about 5 of you that need to send me back my leashes . You know , the ones i accidently sent with my RTF kites. You know who you are ! Now give em'back ! :P

Ain't nobody squeezing another leash out of me!
:bigok:

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Originally posted by stephdip a little late to this post as well but.. RTF for me means everthing that came with the rtf kite new.. this depends on the brand of course but in my case.. RTF is kite/bag/lines/bar with leash and what ever else i got with the kite..

And if you didn't buy the kite new...?

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Originally posted by stephdip
a little late to this post as well but..

RTF for me means everthing that came with the rtf kite new..
this depends on the brand of course but in my case..

RTF is kite/bag/lines/bar with leash and what ever else i got with the kite..

And if you didn't buy the kite new...?

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that all depends on the brand but i still say that RTF means RTF.
if you buy a kite only then go out and get handles and lines for it and you sell it RTF then you ship it with the handles /lines.

if you sell a RTF say a PL with a PL bar that came with a leash then the leash should stay with the bar.

some of the older PL bars the leash was part of it but the new nav bars have it separate... a super cool leash but it still came with the bar and should be sold with it..
if someone decides to keep it then it should be clear in the add and priced accordingly since the buyer will need one..

if other brands don't come with a leash then again it should be mentioned as newbies won't know, heck even i didn't know that some brands didn't come with a leash !!!!!

as for suicide leashes or any other personal modifications made to a bar that the seller wants to keep, that should be clear as well in the add or the kite RTF should be brought back to original state with standard leash, if you don't have one then it should be stated...

i have bought many kites used and new, even got some that didn't have the DD for the loop and i had to buy new ones but when i sold the kite i shipped it with the DD and what ever is needed to fly the kite..

i just sold one of my chargers the 12M and it will go RTF
kite/bag/nav bar and leash/the rings/manual and sand bag and what ever else came with it..

i think that if the RTF kite came with a leash it should be sold with it.
if it didn't and had to get one because the last seller screwed the buyer by keeping it!!! the one that was purchased should sell with the kite since it is needed for RTF.

keeping the parts one likes and selling it RTF when it is not is not fair for the buyer..

i would love to keep the new leashes from the NAV bar but in my mind that would be mischief and wrong..switching it for a cheap one as well..

that's why pictures and so many questions need to be asked before buying used even new some times..
that's just like buying a harness and finding out the guy kept the spreader bar !!!!!! :-o

No I don't keep parts I like either not much point if I no longer have the kite!!!
I always include everything that came with the kite - when I got it, whether it was new or used.

I still think RTF, as a minimum, includes kite (and bag!) bar and lines - ready to hook into your harness and fly... with your own leash, if not included.

Leashes are like a consumable...