okay so I think I am learning and getting somewhere, I tried to copy this set up I found on google images


http://epikoo.com/sites/default/files/eh_bar_1.jpg

now this is what I did, the string on the right is a stretchy bungee cord


http://i49.tinypic.com/34dm0ll.jpg


http://i47.tinypic.com/2eb7mfc.jpg

I don't think I am able to follow the diagram earlier in this thread by van, because all 4 of my lines are 23 meters, and I assume at the end of the lines (the parts that attach to the kite) when pulled in a straight line, they should be equal, is that correct?

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still cant see my previous post :S

I can't tell what happens when you pull your safety still?

You need to have the Black line that now runs through the ring attach to a leash or the CL and it should stay secured to your harness when the pin is pulled. It doesn't appear to do that??? When you pull the pin does the black line remain secured to your harness and the other 3 are free to run up toward the kite? ( flag on one front line )

That bar looks like 4 line? You REALLY want to set it up as a 5 line to take davantage of the safety + relaunch built into the kite!

Typically all 4 lines equal with the trim wide open and CL at bar is correct. Back lines can be a little longer but both front and both back at least should match.

kk thanks!, yeah I plan to add the 5th line next, I am just not sure which part to attach it to on control bar, as to pulling the pin I have no idea yet, I havent really tested it yet, want to attach 5th line, then I will tie it to something/test it and make the necessary adjustments

You never show your CL. Notice how the safety pin on the bar in the picture is there. Pull it and it releases the CL so the bar can run up the safety line as well as the other front line. The safety goes to a leash that goes to your harness.

THAT is what you need to accomplish. Then adding a fifth line is as easy as following Van or OR examples.

( I do see in an early picture your CL has a safety pin ! )

You need to buy a leash and some line for a fifth line ( + stoppers and rings ). I Suggest you buy Q line. Then at a certian point you will at least have 30m of good Qline . I kite and Frankin'bar you never use but 30m of Qline and a leash to steal from it!

That seller sure was no friend to the kite community!

0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0 I understand what your saying now! my chicken loop is not attached yet because of that stupid seat belt buckle thing, I removed it and have not attached it yet, but I will and I will test that safety out 2morrow and see what happens! everything is starting to make sense now,

so I could attached the safety/5th line to the pin on the CL, so when I pull it all 4 lines will go slack, does that make sense?

NOPE !

Your Pin on your safety threads through the loop your seat belt is tied to. That is your link. It looks like you can attach the fifth line to a ring on the right side of the CL? I suppose that might work and save buying a leash but that is starting to get real Mickey Mouse ! Better to make it proper , with a leash ! Even at that the safety on that CL looks sketchy?

You do seem to be grasping how the kite flags or runs up to fifth line now?

yep I understand the flagging now, and yeah there is a ring on right the side of the CL, I might be a bit of a pain but this is the first bar I have ever looked at or got my hands on, so I really do appreciate the help,

It's tough when you don't have someone around. This isn't a perfect way to go but you are learning and that's what you need to do to get that investment working for you!

That and fly your new RUSH !!!!!!

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PS note in the OR manual how setting the bar stopper at the right length is important for the fifth line.

yeah, and your right its not a perfect way but at least this way I am actually learning how the set up and lines work, rather then buying something that works right off the start!

but yes will be flying the rush every chance I get :P

The drawing is correct for your bar. You just didn't understand it. The drawing is for 27 meter lines on all for. It is setup with a Y style center line. You can ignore that part and pretend its two separate line going down to the left attachment piece. Your 5th line goes through that ring. Your first safety is the one above your bar. This safety releases BOTH front lines while your bar stays attached. The trim strap and your two front line shoots forward. Your kite is now attached by your 5th line and your outside brake lines. Your second safety is your chicken loop. You only pull the one on the chicken loop to totally release the kite.

The newer design does not have the release above the bar. The first release is on your chicken loop. When pulled, the bar and everything above it shoots forward. You are attach to only the 5th line. The 5th line usually goes through the bar and attach to something like a leash. The second release would be the leash. If you want the newer design, then you need to get rid of the above the bar release. You then need to make sure the hole through the bar is wide enough for the 5th line.


Get with Markite , he's in your area. He can look over your bar and perhaps help you set it up correctly.

My .02, The way I see it the main line to the CL broke at one time and someone replaced the QR with that buckle setup, the line used is not kite quality, probably bought it at the hardware store, either the two center lines attach together on one of the knots at the trim strap or the way you currently have it and the ring is for a flag line safety. The whole QR needs to be replaced obviously and I wouldn't put any power to it in its current state. It would probably be advisable to either graft another CL/QR setup on that bar or simply chuck the whole setup and buy a good used depower bar of some sort that makes sense for safety sake.

Dang, I forgot about Markite being so close.

There is your answer ! Get together with Him and you will know in 2 minutes if you have a recoverable system + he will have all the bits needed to sort you out. Great Guy worth meeting !

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okay cool thanks guys I appreciate the help, I'm pretty sure I understand how it works now and should be able to handle, I don't have any long term plans with this, was just suppose to get me started

Good because I was thinking what Apex' is about your link point for your safety pin being botched ?

Markite will be a joy to meet . He has been busy in the Ontario kite world for a long time.