You're getting some solid words here brother. It's worth it, trust me. I guarantee you that a 3m fixed bridle / 4-6m depower will not be your last. Give some serious thought to the fixed bridles - they give you infinitely more control and "brakes" which are great to have handy when you're just starting - esp in gusty conditions.

The first time I flew a depower I was wondering where the "stop" button was.

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That's what I'm talking about ^^^ and I'm not going against it, I already know I'm not getting a depower kite, can I get a bridal with a bar? I really don't want the 2 handles, and I want to be able to have a harness

Millwaukee isn't all that far out from where I live, prolly 2hrs, if i ever do end up getting free time, I could probably try and help, i may not be a pro, but i have learned abt how much power these kites really put up, and trust me, with 17+ mph winds, Trancein1's old 3m lil' devil has lifted me off the ground.

Yeah I'm not really looking at the depowers anymore, they r to expencive, I'm looking for like a 4 or 5 bridal with a bar, I do like the idea of the brakes lines in the center of the bar though, so I can stop my kite in I really have to with the kite killer

bar or handles.............let them go and the killers kick in.......................................go with handles especially if this is your first 4 liner..................

In a De-power line, the outside lines are breaks, the inside lines are leaders, a kite killer doesn't exactly exist on a depower kite, just a leash so when you jettison the kite, it doesn't fly off into a tree or something, although ditching the kite, makes it come down, just not the same way kite killers work.

People on here have been suggesting that to fit your budget your best money is on a 3 - 4 m on handles.

You seem stuck on a bar ? You CAN hook in with handles. You DO get far better control with handles. You CAN apply many of the principles of depower using handles. You can buy a 3 - 4 m for less and it will resell easier with handles.
A bar on a fixedbridle OVER simplifies the set up. You lose most brake control and you typically pay more.

The trick to flying is to become the master of the kite. While it is true that some people have taken their time ( missed out on many fun days because the kites too big ) and survived to gain control it is not the smartest or fastest way to go. You will waist a lot of precious time trying not to get beaten up by a larger kite. Missing days because the kite is too big / dangerous. You can fly a 3m kite in almostt all winds . It will generate enough power to go on snow in higher winds . You will be able to control it much MUCH sooner. ONLY when you have gained control of the kite does real progression happen.

Folks on here are giving you some very sage advice and yet you don't seem yo be getting the message. What do you think you are gaining starting with a 5m fixed bridle on a bar ???????:Ange09::Ange09::Ange09:

I can tell that you are going to try and jump before you gain proper flying skills. This is not a good idea and I am worried you have the wrong impression. It looks easy and is if you do it right. Do it wrong and you can ruin it for ALL OF US when you end up injured and on the news . PLEASE take the proper steps and be aware that your actions can potentially effect the whole sport.

K I'll stay away from the bar then, just wondering how u strap is with handles? Or what u need for it

Anyone here remember NPWfever? Nick? This is like dejavue all over again.

You should not shy away from handles, you will learn alot about controlling your kite w/ them. They should be mandatory to learn on.I have been Flying for a few yrs now, and I'm just now learning on a crossover bar. And even though it has alot of similarities, it is still not as good as handles. All you need is a dyneema strop and a harness. but that will come LATER. First is control and where not to put it, and when to put it where. When you master that, then you try a buggy or landboard, maybe some jumping. Have fun, be safe.
WG

Search the word Strop.

It is a simple bit of climbing rope between the handles.

Hooking in isn't something you need to worry about until you know how to fly.

NPWfever ended up with such a severe concusion he had to stop flying for 6 months ( as predicted ) and he seems to have lost interest .

Now this guy has decided he is going to learn on a 5 or 6 m I think we all know how this is going to end.

I can't find it? Iv been looking on google and YouTube

Top left corner below the guy in the buggy. ON HERE !

Youtube is the Wrong place to go for informed info.

I'm thinking xsv21 is not for real and just pulling our leg. Seems like a total wind up post to me. He's hitting on all the newb topics in rapid succession.

#@%$#! u man! I'm trying to get as much help as I can, he said search I diidnt know he mention here

could he be , jonsey boy?lol

I'm just playin w/ ya'. :singing:

I'm still not finding it.... Is it hard to do?

As others have said, you don't need a strop unless you ride hooked in. You shouldn't hook in until you are a competant kiter. Killers won't work if you are stropped in. A 5-6m fixed bridle kite is a big kite in the snow and a really big kite for a beginner. But keep looking. That's what I would have done when I was 16 too. Eventually you'll get a deal. You could probably get a brand new Pansh Ace RTF for that price or maybe even a 6.6 Blade III in OK condition. For a kite that size you'll want to go out when the pine trees are really bent over. That will get you pretty well lit on your first run. Be sure to post the pics or get some video.

Here's a link to what a strop is:

http://www.powerkiteshop.com/flexifoil_strop_harness_line.ht...

I'm not an expert by any means as I still am waiting on my first kite to arrive in the mail. But, I would say that a strop would be the last thing to worry about. Take the stuff these guys have to say to heart man. They amount to years of experience and not one of them is here to see a guy get hurt. If I would of found this place before I ordered my kite I definitely would have ordered a 3m fixed bridle on handles ( I still will be investing in one before the winter is done). So yeah just keep your feet on the ground for a while till you got things under control.

Shaggs

Below is a great video that shows what a really experienced flier can do with a kite. Something to think about before you rush out and buy any old 1 size for all conditions type kite.

Kite vid!

I hate that guy!

Here's a great snowkiting vid!

That's an adrenaline rush. I think he was an experienced kiter too, not to mention lucky as can be.

i hate him too!

I've watched that vid like 100 times. Still blows my mind, definitely lucky that he got let down as easy as he did. I'd hate to be his shorts at that time.

Here's a great static flying video of a flier using a 5m Ace - something like what you want. These are pretty safe kites for the winds you'll fly in as you can see here

The flier goes on to tell his story here

I think I see a trend here

K I won't put on a strop then, it's cool I got everything I need them, haha I'll put up some pics and vids from my first time

Just take care, no matter what route you go. Shaggs is 100% right - you've got pantload of solid advice here.

It's because we care about the sport but above that, we care about the people who turn to us for answers. PKF stands for "Pretty Kool Family" around here - we stick together and when we see one go we all feel the pain (NPW Fever) and when we see one come back we all feel reunited (USA_Eli). Stay safe....look at everyone's sigs - you WILL have many, many (many, many, many) kites.