Lol... anyways PaulGL. Welcome!! Sorry that there was an argument in your thread!!! as you can see, it's a hot topic .

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Originally posted by snobdr When im attacked i respond.

But you don't have to - it's your choice ... someone expressing an opinion that differs to yours is not an attack unless YOU interpret it that way and then you have to accept the consequences of rising to the bait. You can't cry foul if you jump on comments people make, then they refuse to play!
Me, I can do this all day

It was an attack but since he removed all of his posts you can not see that.

Thats funny as i posted that same line and everyone flipped out and i got a warning. I think this forum should heed choppers advice

To quote YOU SNOB when you gave me the same treatment you so hate after I answered your repeated baiting.

WHATEVER !!!!!!!!!

Way to kill the thrill for yet another beginer ! :duh:

As i said you should all heed some of Choppers advice.

Are you enjoying killing a community? Its getting real old, quick. Yes you had people coming to your defense but I am sure they are getting tired of it quickly too................aj

No the people who came to my defence know me. They know that that way people on this forum react is a big joke. Everyone take a chill. Its typing on a computer, no reason to fly off the handle. I help as many people on here as the rest of you. You just cant take that im proud of what i ride and voice my opinion as such. If i rode arcs or foils it would be a non issue. I could say they were the best in the world and no one would say any different.

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Originally posted by snobdr LEIs are the best all around kite. They perform well everywhere. Dont let these guys shy you away from them. This forum tends to be biased against LEIS. They will work fine on land.

snob, your issue is not starting your post with "I think". Then skip the part where you dismiss everyone else on the forum. If you could come down from your tower where you think you are the only enlightened one on the forum, it would be great for you to add some depth to the forum as a proponent of LEIs. Just stick to sharing your experiences, and the attributes of LEIs that you like and why. I personally LOVE information like that. I would consider getting an LEI someday when my skills increase but nothing you've ever said about them helps me understand why you like them. If you are such a nice guy on the beach with other guys, how can you be such an a$$ here on the forum? If you said the exact words face to face with me standing on the beach, I would take exception there as well. Get the chip off your shoulder, quit putting the rest of us down and add something to the forum instead of thinking you have to "fight the fight" everytime you post. I've seen some great posts from you its just posts like I quoted that start these flame wars here. These didn't exist here before you except for the old FISLY rules issues. Think about that.

yea BB that was the post that wound me up too.


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we all know arcs are the only kite in the world and if you dont fly them then you are an idiot and should be removed from the gene pool.

Saying people on this forum are biased against LEIs is not a put down.

no, not by itself. But coming right after you say LEI's are best changes the way it reads. "I've found", "I think", "You might find", "others have observed". These are some ways to indicate your opinion without picking a fight and offending the others that don't have the same views. Your opinions could be valued and appreciated here, but just because some don't have the same bias as you doesn't make them any more wrong than you are for having your LEI bias. Can't we all just get along and be friends? They are all kites and we love flying them. Let's go with that.

the only way to know what kite is right for you is to fly as many different kites as possible. i have been lucky to fly most kites from all different styles and for all the disciplines, fixed bridals, lei's, sle's, hybrids, depower foils and arcs. but for what i do and the way i ride, i have found that arcs and in particular the synergy and phantom, have been the kites that have helped me get what i want from this sport. i enjoyed flying these kites so much that i actually sort sponsorship from the manufacturer as i believed in the product so much. if people see me at the beach or on video and like my style then i have no problem with recommending these kites, but i an not a salesman and would not tell anybody to parts with their money until they find the kite that is right for them.
i dont only landboard. i buggy, surf and snowkite aswell so i think my knowledge of the different discipline is based on fact and not just guess work

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Originally posted by carltb the only way to know what kite is right for you is to fly as many different kites as possible. i have been lucky to fly most kites from all different styles and for all the disciplines, fixed bridals, lei's, sle's, hybrids, depower foils and arcs. but for what i do and the way i ride, i have found that arcs and in particular the synergy and phantom, have been the kites that have helped me get what i want from this sport. i enjoyed flying these kites so much that i actually sort sponsorship from the manufacturer as i believed in the product so much. if people see me at the beach or on video and like my style then i have no problem with recommending these kites, but i an not a salesman and would not tell anybody to parts with their money until they find the kite that is right for them. i dont only landboard. i buggy, surf and snowkite aswell so i think my knowledge of the different discipline is based on fact and not just guess work

Well said
I personally can't ride Arcs on the water, but i think they are one of the best landboarding kites i've used (i landboarded for 4 years in England before moving to california, using guerillas/venoms/frenzys)

Having started on foils it made me appreciate LEIs and then eventually return to foils again for the water. Friends who have only ever ridden LEIs don't get on well at all with flysurfers, yet they see me out there seemingly having a great time, so it's really just all about what you're used to.

All kites are great, there is no way to do a Foils VS Inflatables debate for me anymore because you just end up stuck...

Here's what i think having very extensively ridden both Foils and Inflatables on water since 2006.

Modern Inflatables:
1. Slightly faster turning for size
2. Slightly more stable that closed cell foils, (about the same with peter lynns but without the autozenith)
3. Nicer if you're totally screwed and need a flotation device. (i've never needed personally, but the idea is nice)
4. You don't get treated like a freak.

Modern Foils:
1. Much much much faster pack up and unpacking times. Takes me about 3 minutes from opening bag to being on the water.
2. Much smaller, easier to travel with, no pumps.
3. I personally think they jump easier/higher and HANGTIME is definitely better.
4. You get treated like a freak.

Equals:
1. relaunch is equal for me (apart from C-Kites which i find harder)

googling "foil versus inflatables" reports more than half millions links, and yet the debate has still not been resolved.

there is no ONE better kite, but different ones that fits different needs.

even among LEIs they are too many differences.

for me, some are good and some are not at all.

But as a kitesurfer/snowkiter who rides both LEIs' and foil, the ones I have much enjoyed to OWN are still Flysurfers, even if in some conditions one of my LEI fits better my need.

The funny thing is that the original poster didn't even ask about foils vs. inflatables (even though that's what he titled his post) for kite surfing. He just wanted to know what size LEI would be equivalent in power to his 3.5m rage. His questions were all answered and the thread was ready to fade on down the list and then.....well you know.

Yea then someone posted

"By most accounts (but not all) the LEI's are left out of the mix for land use because the high pressure bladders are more vulnerable to damage on land."

By most accounts??? 90% of the kiters in my area also ride LEIs on snow. And i would venture to say that at least 75% of kiters that use LEIs on water also yous them on land if the ride land.

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If i rode arcs or foils it would be a non issue. I could say they were the best in the world and no one would say any different

Funny how no one refutes this statment.

Well Snobdr, because nobody seems to refute your above statement on this particular forum, you may find it best by moving over to Kiteforum.com where there are so many other users there that share you love affair with the LEI kites and blatant hatred of foils.

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Originally posted by snobdr Yea then someone posted "By most accounts (but not all) the LEI's are left out of the mix for land use because the high pressure bladders are more vulnerable to damage on land." By most accounts??? 90% of the kiters in my area also ride LEIs on snow. And i would venture to say that at least 75% of kiters that use LEIs on water also yous them on land if the ride land. Quote: If i rode arcs or foils it would be a non issue. I could say they were the best in the world and no one would say any different Funny how no one refutes this statment.

Now you're just getting annoying.

LOL

jog on

I'm still waiting for ONE person to stand up for your skills other than you ?

Your Friends say you are a Dip online even if you are O.K. on the Beach NO ONE said this guy has skills that match his mouth ? No one has even said you have skills. I have never seen anything to make me respect you ?

I dont care if you respect me or not. I have no respect for you blade.

do i take it that you are just a keyboard kiter then.

Must be if no one has seen me ride.

I feel badly for PaulGl

This thread has become so toxic. I have stayed away for days but checked back in when I saw Ken just jump on. Can't we all just walk away and stop feeding the trolls? Carl, you have been sucker punched; let's leave it.

I know it's like a train wreck and you want to look, but it's better to walk away instead of post. (well here I am, but I hope you know what I mean)

I don't want to see this forum get hosed and drive away members.

LOL

Sorry ALL,

I keep promising not to go there . Then I do ? It's like an OCD ? :embarrased:

You brought this all on yourselfs.