Mike thanks for the excellent information and research, it is very much appreciated.

Fletcht sorry to hear about the rollover, i keep mine set up so my seat is barely 2 inches off the ground. I know you know what you are doing and an excellent pilot, just hoping to help.

Chris C1

I just ordered one of the Splitter Mk race AQR so we will be able to try it out and see if this is the hot ticket. expensive yes, but what is safety worth ?

Quote: Originally posted by dirtslide

I just ordered one of the Splitter Mk race AQR so we will be able to try it out and see if this is the hot ticket. expensive yes, but what is safety worth ?

will you have it at SOBB? I would like to have a look and give it a try. And for the record, If I break it, I will pay for repair, replacement or ?
Just who I am.

I may just break it to have it for my own.:evil:

That is why I asked Chris if I could use his MG :D . I hope to have it but will have to see if it make it in time ,coming from Germany.

Quote: Originally posted by dirtslide

That is why I asked Chris if I could use his MG :D . I hope to have it but will have to see if it make it in time ,coming from Germany.

Throw the dice and see if snake eyes comes up, if so you could have it in a few days, if not. then I feel sorry for you.
Something about Germany sending stuff to the US, like we were at war or something. Hope Germany to Canada is better.

You are so right ,I have made a couple order's from France lately for the Sysmic S1 and the first order came in 2 days next one was 2 weeks.:puzzled:

This device looks nice but I would like to know are there any techniques used to make the stainless top piece slide better over the top of the split pulley?

Slow international shipments are almost always due to customs.
The US is faster than most of the EU.
Asia is amazingly fast.
It normally depends on how the tax systems work...

Quote: Originally posted by AudereEng

Slow international shipments are almost always due to customs. The US is faster than most of the EU. Asia is amazingly fast. It normally depends on how the tax systems work...

I found if you need the shipment ASAP, it will take forever and a few more weeks.
If you could care less when it arrives, it shows up the next day.

I had a shipment of kites come from Germany and after 5 weeks of no idea of the location of the package, the kite company sent out another shipment to replace the first one.
A few weeks later I got the shipment and let the kite company know the package had arrived. They asked me if the package was the first one or the second one, found out it was the first one. The second shipment was now lost and no idea of where it was.
I asked the kite company why they sent me used kites when I ordered new ones, they responded that they were new. After looking real close and thinking about it, found out someone tried to fly the kites and did a bit of damage to one of them and then put everything back in the bags and tried to make it kook like they were never touched. Torn and taped bags, line sets put back on the winders, dirty handles and 1 kite with bridle damage, and another kite that wasn't folded right and put back in the bag.

The kite company placed a lost claim on the second shipment and was paid by the shipper, it arrived 7 weeks later in perfect condition.
The used first order was reported as damaged and the shipping company paid out on that claim.
All of this started on 12/17/2012 with the first order and I was notified that everything was paid for and finished on 5/2/2013.

Not sure how to place the second order if at all.
Sorry for the off topic, back to the original program.

Ken,
did you order all the parts?
strap, spreader bar, or just the QR?

I have been looking at the set up and it is much like one of the Holt Pulleys I have with the sliding catch to hold and release the pin. This is able to spin unlike my setup, unless you incorporate kite killers into the equation. I hope it comes before you leave for SOBB, I really want to have a look. Wonder if it can be worked with one hand.
Might be a sweet setup.

Quote: Originally posted by MDK

Quote: Originally posted by DAKITEZ here is my curiosity ... throw in the human factor. The pilot begins to lift out of the seat .. the device releases ... does the pilot let go of the handles???? Human nature is when your holding something and it pulls you grip and pull harder. So the device worked but will the pilot let go and stay in the seat? That is the big question for me. Yes this can be an issue. I personally still ride with my hands high on the handles (a habit I need to break since I am now usually hooked into a harness) I think if you forced a habit to hold the handles lower and relaxed (the lower the better) and kept your thumbs straight and not wrapped around the handles then when the AQR is activated the handles should go into the brake position and that should give you time to decide weather or not you want to let go if they weren't ripped from your hands. I think how you grip the handles are very important in any case and one should be aware of this.

While I was at Jibe, my buggy went out on a few runs with other people to try out the QR while they were wearing my harness.
After I got everything back I was riding down the beach and as I made a hard turn the kite came loose. I looked down and found the QR released the kite, the strap was set too short for me. I wasnt pulled out of the bug as it was just a normal turn that required a bit more strap so it would not deploy. I almost didnt hang on to the handles and let the kite go, but being a normal turn was still able to hang on and rehook. Not sure I would be able to hang on to the handles in the event of an unexpected OBE. The question would have to be are you holding on to the handles with enough strength to hold down your weight, say 200lbs? I dont ride like that anymore, I want to relax a bit and enjoy the ride. Not hang on for dear life.

I like the idea of an auto quick release, and have all the parts required, BUT.....

I've just bought one of those newer buggies with the wrap around side rails, these actually do hold you in your seat, I've only had the opportunity to ride it once as the weather here is turning wet/winter, but has anyone tried a system in these bugs, or will the suddenness of a big lift pull you past the rails without taking the bug with you ?

Quote: Originally posted by Clive

I like the idea of an auto quick release, and have all the parts required, BUT..... I've just bought one of those newer buggies with the wrap around side rails, these actually do hold you in your seat, I've only had the opportunity to ride it once as the weather here is turning wet/winter, but has anyone tried a system in these bugs, or will the suddenness of a big lift pull you past the rails without taking the bug with you ?

countless factors here... the side rails are mostly designed to hold you in place under normal circumstances (kite pulling from the side). I think typically an OEB is more likely to happen when the kite pulls you in the opposite direction that the bug is traveling, or if the bug comes to a sudden stop. I think with these factors you will be separated from the bug. but depending on the design and fit of your side rails the bug may also stay with you for a bit. these are all things that need to be considered if you are trying to prevent the possibility of an OBE, not just the AQR. I have padded and adjusted my seat to help keep my butt planted with lots of side load but it is shallow enough I could easily be pulled out the back, top or front wards. I don't do all the trick stuff so the possibilities are more limited.

why need a QRS??
in case of a windincrease/OBE you'll never be quick enough to release.

if the situation occurs were you don't want the kite to pull no more
you grab hold of the brake-lines for as far as you can reach
an pull them towards you.
no matter how big and overpowerd you fly the kite will/can't do nothing
and just hang like a piece of clothing on an dry-line.
and this way you still have your kite with instead of running after it because you
released it...

my 2 cents.

Quote: Originally posted by jantie

why need a QRS?? in case of a windincrease/OBE you'll never be quick enough to release. if the situation occurs were you don't want the kite to pull no more you grab hold of the brake-lines for as far as you can reach an pull them towards you. no matter how big and overpowerd you fly the kite will/can't do nothing and just hang like a piece of clothing on an dry-line. and this way you still have your kite with instead of running after it because you released it... my 2 cents.

we are discussing an "Auto Quick Release" releases automatically when you lift from your seat. nothing wrong with trying to improve on safety.

absolutly nothing wrong with that.
but in my opinion you'll never be fast enough in case of a windincrease/blow.
and i'd like to see the system that can see/feel the difference between a big, fat powerloop
or an overloop/upwindturn and an OBE in comparisment of force.
and that's is why i think it is an utopia

i'll certanly will follow this treath with curiosity.

Jantie, you're missing the point that it is automatic. It releases the kite if the pilot is raised out of his seat, regardless of load from the kite.

I received my Splitter MK Race "Auto" not "manual" Quick Release today from Germany, and after a quick inspection I can confidently say that this thing is brilliant! one thing that I did not realize from the info and pics available online is that it releases you from the kite and the tether connected to your bug simultaneously! friggin brilliant how it does this, I have been wracking my brain on this very issue and now it is solved.

It also allows you to untwist without disconnecting the tether. no plastic all metal, swivals on a sealed bearing.

That's an ingenious piece of equipment.

Ooooooohhh..... AustriAlpin. I lust after some of their Cobra buckles. :embarrased:

Could you break down these 4 purchase options? The first two are pretty easy, but Google has problems translating the latter ones.

Quote:

Type a: splitter MK Race Type b: Sliver + MK Race Harnessbracket * Type c: Sliver MK Race Harnessbracket + * + Gurtbandreißleine with carabiner and buckle Edelstal Type d: MK Race Splitter + Gurtbandreißleine with carabiner and buckle Edelstal

Ouch... just saw the pricing.

ATB,
Sam

Yeah I Had a hard time deciphering that as well I just sent them an email stating in plain English what I wanted and that seemed to work well. It is a little pricey but let's ask Josh Walsh what he would pay for it. I was a little concerned But after receiving it and knowing the quality now it is well worth the money

Quote: Originally posted by MDK

It is a little pricey but let's ask Josh Walsh what he would pay for it. I was a little concerned But after receiving it and knowing the quality now it is well worth the money

Not discounting the value....

There is for lack of a better term "a sticker shock ramp" that has to be climbed.

It exists for kites, photography equipment, knives, tools.... pretty much anything once you get deep enough into things.

ATB,
Sam

Looks good so far.
Mike, can you show the parts that connect to the buggy? What holds the red strap in place before it deploys?

Now the big question, what is the total cost so far? (and when can I try it out?):evil:

Yeah Sam I knew where you were coming from, I was just sharing what I had to keep telling myself as I hesitated to hit the send cash button

Jeff, this system leaves it up to the owner to come up with a suitable anchor to the bug. I suspect I will be doing something very similar to your anchor system. the black tether is what is used to connect to your anchor. in the last pic you can see where the chrome ring fits between the post and tapered pin, when pulled through it slides the spring loaded top hat back releasing the splitter pin releasing the kite only, the splitter stays with you. and the carabiner then is able to slide off the open end of the red loop releasing you from the bug if needed. this is also good if you forget to disconnect getting out of the bug, it will release automatically (but be aware it will also release your kite). I paid 283 EUR to my door. I don't recall USD maybe I don't want to know

$375.00, ouch. Then add the cost of the modification to the buggy, $400.00.
But if it works, it will be worth every penny.

If you use KS-P-A-M-L-I-N-K-s with your kite, you wont be able to spin your handles even if the QR does allow you to spin them.

yeah I won't be spending $400 on any mod My local welder would build me a buggy for that thats true with kite killers but I don't use them.

I saw a mod that had a rare earth magnet that grabbed a small metal plate attached to the seat when you sit down. You could grab the cord to the magnet and pull it loose with your hand but if you just stand up, it will release your kite.

yeah I saw that too, its in the vid I posted up top. just not sure how much confidence I would have in it, It obviously works but getting over the mental part

Hi,

I was wondering if you have seen the release

http://kiteattitudefr.votreboutiquepro.fr/largueurs/kit-larg...

What do you think about it?
Saludos.
Alberto

Quote: Originally posted by betosoria

Hi, I was wondering if you have seen the release http://kiteattitudefr.votreboutiquepro.fr/largueurs/kit-larg... What do you think about it? Saludos. Alberto

Hola Alberto.
441lbs is a lot of weight before it deploys, or more it says. That works out to be me, my buggy, my kite and Levi along with about 120 extra lbs. Also they recommend to replace it after a year, might be the rubberband breaks down and wont work after that.