I think the statements from both Eli and the Rob are true. Protos or no protos, Ozone has never brought a closed cell foil into production. So this
is their "first closed cell foil" to enter production. Kami, I really don't understand why you have such a hard time with that and why you have such
a bone to pick with this kite. If you don't like it don't buy it. That's how the free market works.
How many protos never see the light of day on the open market? The only one that counts is the one that comes to market. The statement is true -
both Eli's and Rob's. Let it go.
sticking with my original statement. I have flown many Ozone Closed Cell Prototypes dating back as far as 2005!
You can disagree with me all you like, but are you seriously telling us you're disagreeing with the actual guy who actually said it in the video he
made to promote the product he designed for the company he started?
Cos that blows my mind...
Don't have a dog in the fight, Neither race kites or depow are my bag... Just curious who's actually right on this issue.
I think the statements from both Eli and the Rob are true. Protos or no protos, Ozone has never brought a closed cell foil into production. Kami, I
really don't understand why you have such a hard time with that and why you have such a bone to pick with this kite. If you don't like it don't buy
it. That's how the free market works.
How many protos never see the light of day on the open market? The only one that counts is the one that comes to market. The statement is true -
both Eli's and Rob's. Let it go.
I thought it was pretty simple...
"This is our first closed-cell depower."
"No it isn't!"
... is this actually a Monty Python skit?
The kite is fine I'm sure, it's the fanboy hype that's turning my stomach. This is pretty tame here, although it looked for a while like loftywinds
was trying to import his own nauseating brand of starry-eyed credulity to here too...
Next up, videos of riding in 5 knots wait for it... wait for it...
I think the statements from both Eli and the Rob are true. Protos or no protos, Ozone has never brought a closed cell foil into production. Kami, I
really don't understand why you have such a hard time with that and why you have such a bone to pick with this kite. If you don't like it don't buy
it. That's how the free market works.
How many protos never see the light of day on the open market? The only one that counts is the one that comes to market. The statement is true -
both Eli's and Rob's. Let it go.
I thought it was pretty simple...
"This is our first closed-cell depower."
"No it isn't!"
... is this actually a Monty Python skit?
The kite is fine I'm sure, it's the fanboy hype that's turning my stomach. This is pretty tame here, although it looked for a while like loftywinds
was trying to import his own nauseating brand of starry-eyed credulity to here too...
Next up, videos of riding in 5 knots wait for it... wait for it...
Assume you're replying in order to the three paragraphs...
Uh? How?
Naturally, being an Ozone the kite would still be flying in 0 knots too. Whatever you're smoking, pass it round! :D
Send one over and I'll give you the facts, not the marketing hype and fanboy insta-love.
Who asked me about what? :confused: now it's a Dali sketch...
Pete - 5m/s is 10 knots. Pretty good boost height in those winds (probably something else going on offshore) but lets see the same gear here, in 10
knots gusting to 20, with the wind shifting 90 degrees!
And... what exactly do those videos prove? That one guy was going faster and further upwind than another? Could be the downwind guy just wasn't
interested in going upwind and fast...
I'm not surprised you can soar on the Chrono - the Speed1 was also high AR and was used for paragliding... but then, so are various LEIs...
Proofs in the pudding. Waiting for real-world reviews cos Ozone Japan is so crap I doubt we'll ever get one here.
..... (probably something else going on offshore) ......Could be the downwind guy just wasn't interested in going upwind and fast...
You appear to be adding narrative or unknown back story to the "tangibly" visible information, making assumptions to justify your negative opinion of
something you've never even put your hands on... To justify your "turned stomach"
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to poop in your cornflakes but "fanboy" phobia is just a poor excuse for your negative diatribe on a kite you have no
experience with.
Do you expect a team rider or someone sponsored by a kite manufacturer to talk ill of the company that supplies their gear... That's ridiculous.
Your initial statements in this thread comparing Chrono to Elf and FS are valid and make sense, but after that it all seems to be self righteous
ranting couched in this anti "fanboy" stuff.
Your opinions on the kite are valuable and I'm interested in hearing them, but for your own sake take it down a notch.
Posting videos to show, or otherwise claiming that "I was going upwind better than the other guy ergo my gear is better" assumes that the other guy
was going as hard as possible to make upwind ground, is as good as you etc etc - you see where that's going... that's not a negative statement, merely
pointing out the reality of the situation. It's a trap everyone falls into - I'm guilty of thinking or saying the same thing too.
It's not a phobia, I'm just an #@%$#!
I expect realism and honesty, not marketing hype and fanboy hot-air. Too much to ask? It seems so, considering the OP and the other fluffer haven't
actually used the gear yet either and then amid all the praise, the fanboys
tell everyone who doesn't have stars in their eyes to shut up until they actually try it. If that's not fanboydom then please let me know what to call
it, as that's the best shorthand I have right now.
You'll have to be more specific about what you consider "self-righteous" if you want an explanation... afraid you lost me there.
I have soft spots for gear for various absurd reasons - brands from my home town, pleasing designs, my first real stuff, gear that saves a session,
great customer service - but I'm not naive enough to make erroneous claims to superiority based on longest-standing, highest performance, best quality
etc about those brands.
While this is not a kite for me, I withdraw my earlier comments about how it is being marketed as a boosting machine with no supporting vids. Its
boosting just fine in this one http://vimeo.com/89812238.
Depower Quiver: 14m Gin Eskimo, 10m Gin Eskimo III, 6m Gin Yeti, 4.5m Gin Yeti (custom bridle and mixer)
Fixed Bridle Quiver: MAC Bego 400, JOJO ET Instinct 2.5 & 5.5, Lil Devil 1.5, Sting 1.2
Rides: Ground Industries
There's no doubt that like most foils, it'll boost and hang nicely... with the camera is on the ground though, it's more difficult to get an accurate
impression of height. If that's what you're after...
While this is not a kite for me, I withdraw my earlier comments about how it is being marketed as a boosting machine with no supporting vids. Its
boosting just fine in this one http://vimeo.com/89812238.
This is very impressive when you take in the fact the wind was only 5 - 8 m/s !
To sum up a review at KF from an unbiased, non-shop-selling, long-term foil user of the Chrono... "Like a very well-tuned Speed1". So, pretty much
what I expected... for all the good and bad that entails.
Looking at those videos, I can see how this kite can compete with the likes of Ozone's C4 or the North Vegas when it comes to freestyle. I know that
it's meant for freeride, but the Chrono certainly gives the rider enough airtime to perform long stunts as well.
Looking at those videos, I can see how this kite can compete with the likes of Ozone's C4 or the North Vegas when it comes to freestyle. I know that
it's meant for freeride, but the Chrono certainly gives the rider enough airtime to perform long stunts as well.
A look at my sig will tell you what I fly.............I've owned and flown SA, SA 2 (19 and 15) and flown the SA 3. I'm very fond of my SA
2s........If low wind boosting is what your after Ive found nothing better than the 19m SA 2........pics of Powerzone and myself boosting in 10 to
12mph are loaded in the pics section of this forum......upwind on a door not a race board amazing...........
My three Ozone inflatables are amazing each in their own way............I'm sure the Chrono has a specialty crowd out there but not for me and my
style. Again horses for courses. Robs designs from paragliders to inflatables are amazing.
I'm happy with my quiver.........I'm good from 10 to 30 mph, strapped and unstrapped............life is good!:D:D:duh:
Actually, Eli will probably stick with winning 1st place with His new Quantum kites like he JUST DID at IBB !
Real bad timing for a challenge like that !
I respect your opinions Kami but I think you need to go out and win a race or 2 before you make idle challenges like that.
Not everybody agrees 100% with Eli all the time but He has a few of those 1st place finishes you call for to back up his opinion.
I am still wondering why they chose the 3 kite range they did ?
Sure. I'll get some Chrono and I'll dominate every race I enter - international level races against the best in the world! Doesn't matter how crap I
am, the kite is just that good...
There's a video that shows the start of that race: all but 3 of the competitors (many on Chronos) get stuck behind a ridge when the wind dies. Pretty
easy to "dominate" in those conditions, when you're miles out in head to begin with.
Ozone is really throwing the BS marketing terms around lately and it's making a lot of people barf, even die-hard loyal customers.
Word is in - it's a great kite for doing what it does, and I'm not surprised at all with how the reviews have turned out. But it's not the greatest.
I'll take less bottom end and fly a bigger Speed3 for the superior relaunch, stability, and durability, thanks.
Actually, Eli will probably stick with winning 1st place with His new Quantum kites like he JUST DID at IBB !
When did a brand new event at Ivanpah become a WORLD CLASS RACE? How many people entered? How long was the course? What was the windspeeds? What other
wings were being flown?
I mean, these are all pieces of info that are around when you throw an official, world-level, race-event, right?
Why has no kite forum covered this BIG RACE? I'm on several of them. Hell, why hasn't even OUR OWN forum covered this BIG RACE?
I've never seen so many people come into a pissing contest just to squirt a bit of their own urine around, so I might as well join in the spraying of
fluids, I at least wore goggles.
Tide? What's a tide? Man, it's 1000 miles to any ocean.
Everyone is entitled to their opnion. Say what you will, but is bashing really necessary?
True that… but scoffing at delusions of grandeur and pointing at inaccuracies and falsehoods is not bashing -- bashing would be baseless mocking.
That's not what's going on here.
I see "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" has made its way into this sport too…
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