Haven't done much riding on wheels yet, my couple of attempts so far (yes some inland) on skates and longboard were cut short by a combination of
limited space, bad direction and/or unsuitable wind. (Concrete is much harder than water and snow...) But if you start with Uniq 4.5 for low wind, you
only have 3 other sizes left.
Funny...I've been looking at all these little places I could kite around my work and the possibilities that an NPW and a skateboard provides.
Great discussion!
Yep, they do afford more opportunities to kite. I would suggest using short lines if in turbulent wind. No lines works best in semi-clean or clean
wind. No lines requires the sail to be consistently fed with wind or they back stall. short lines allows you to sine the kite to ride out brief
lulls.
I was just longboarding with the 4 meter this afternoon well into the dark under street lights at a public park parking lot. Love that size. Very
agile and the more agile the better it is to take advantage of very tight areas. I was flying 5 meter line and really working precision flying around
light poles, small trees, parking bumper, signs. Fun stuff.
Great tip on line length. I have some extra q-line so I'll have to make up some 5m line extensions.
Just ordered the 4m and 7m. Really looking forward to trying them out. I ordered from the Born site and added a comment about using paypal. Hopefully
they'll send me the invoice.
I've never paid in Euros before...how does that work using paypal? Do I just put in the euro amount and it will then calculate the correct dollar
amount and debit my account? Are there any additional fees for the currency conversation and will Born charge me a little extra so they don't have to
pay the paypal fees?
BTW, that run till after dark sounds sweet.
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Yep, they do afford more opportunities to kite. I would suggest using short lines if in turbulent wind. No lines works best in semi-clean or clean
wind. No lines requires the sail to be consistently fed with wind or they back stall. short lines allows you to sine the kite to ride out brief lulls.
I was just longboarding with the 4 meter this afternoon well into the dark under street lights at a public park parking lot. Love that size. Very
agile and the more agile the better it is to take advantage of very tight areas. I was flying 5 meter line and really working precision flying around
light poles, small trees, parking bumper, signs. Fun stuff.
Flexifoil Blurr 2.5, Ozone Cult 3.5, Nasa Star 3 4.0 Ozone Yakuza 4.0, PL Reactor 4.9, JoJo RM+ 5.0, Ozone Method 5.0, Ozone Yakuza 6.0, Flexifoil
Blade IV 6.5, Nasa Star 3 7.0, PL Vapor 7.8, JoJo RX 8.0 (in route), Flexifoil Blade VIP 8.5, PL Vapor 9.4, Ozone Yakuza 10.0, PL Reactor II 10.8, PL
Vapor 16.1, PL Venom II 13, PL Charger 15, 19, Flysurfer Unity 12, Flysurfer Pulse 2 14, Flysurfer Speed 2 SA 19, Flysurfer Speed 3 21, MBS Comp 95
landboard, PL Folding buggy, PL XR+ buggy, Slingshot LFT, Lots of surfboards
Steffen (or his wife Kristen) will email you an invoice as a PDF attachment. Open the PDF and you will see the amount owed in Euros and instructions
on how to pay via paypal. There will be an email address with the word "jork" in it. Go into PayPal and select Euros as the currency you wish to pay
in. There is a fee, but it actually comes out of Steffen's end. Easy.
Great tip on line length. I have some extra q-line so I'll have to make up some 5m line extensions.
Just ordered the 4m and 7m. Really looking forward to trying them out. I ordered from the Born site and added a comment about using paypal. Hopefully
they'll send me the invoice.
I've never paid in Euros before...how does that work using paypal? Do I just put in the euro amount and it will then calculate the correct dollar
amount and debit my account? Are there any additional fees for the currency conversation and will Born charge me a little extra so they don't have to
pay the paypal fees?
BTW, that run till after dark sounds sweet.
Quote:
Yep, they do afford more opportunities to kite. I would suggest using short lines if in turbulent wind. No lines works best in semi-clean or clean
wind. No lines requires the sail to be consistently fed with wind or they back stall. short lines allows you to sine the kite to ride out brief lulls.
I was just longboarding with the 4 meter this afternoon well into the dark under street lights at a public park parking lot. Love that size. Very
agile and the more agile the better it is to take advantage of very tight areas. I was flying 5 meter line and really working precision flying around
light poles, small trees, parking bumper, signs. Fun stuff.
I had the perfect conditions for no lines today. Wind direction was right and I had power lines downwind of me and a set of lines I had to go under
to cross the street.
Thanks guys. I have to have close to due south or north wind to use that road so it's only occasional. The truck landing comes in handy. Sometimes
I screw it up and get a bridle snagged somewhere.
Wind looked pretty steady. What was it blowing and how fast were you going?
OBTW, I got an email that my kite had shipped. I'm off from 12/24 - 1/3 so I've got my fingers crossed that I'll get it soon enough to use it then.
Wind was decently steady. I would guess it stayed in the 12-16 zone. I didn't track my speed but based off when I have, I would guess somewhere
between 15-20 mph.
Did it get shipped dhl? That's the normal shipping method for born-kite. If so, it's a pretty slow and painful shipping process. Generally
speaking, it's 3-5 weeks to receive the kites once you order. It's pretty terrible, we have complained about this on the born-kite thread. I really
don't understand why it takes so long. I bought a kite on ebay from redsky in England and it only took 3 business days to get here. I've had 2
orders from born-kites via dhl and they both took forever. Unfortunately I wouldn't hold your breath for them getting here by the 24th.
Looks sweet!
now I'm thinking about it too...can you help here please:
- is hooked in or unhooked better?
- can you ride with a dual line kite? Any disadvantages?
- would it work on a snowskate?
Yes to all the above. Hooked or unhooked would be what you feel comfortable with. I find unhooked easier and have better freedom of movement and
since rolling resistance is low, you don't need to be hooked in to carry the load. However, I have been experimenting riding hooked in while
longboarding on a peak and it works well. Personally, I don't like hooking in on asphalt unless I have a depower or if I had extremely clean wind
which I don't.
I haven't used a snowskate but Steffen in Germany uses one and it looks awesome.
Next question is whether a large 2m-3m-4m trainer, on short 3-6m lines would work for streetkiting?
I assume it won't fly in almost no wind like the Peak or NPW, but otherwise it should work, right?
I do not know the answer to that question. I haven't tried a foil/trainer on short lines. Do you already have a foil/trainer? If so, you might have
to try it out and let us know. I haven't heard anyone comment on using them with short lines.
I think Randy might have tried it but I don't remember what he said.
Do you already have a foil/trainer? If so, you might have to try it out and let us know
One day I was riding my ATB and brought a 3m HQ Rush for friend's son to play with. So that day I tried riding ATB with a dual line kite, unhooked and
it worked out pretty well in means of mowing it back and forth. Then rode the ATB on quad lines, unhooked with a 3.6m NTK Ballistic but all that on
long lines. I don't have the HQ Rush anymore but still have few of dual line NTK Thunderfoil kites and I'm stoked to try it with a longboard now.
I haven't tried the NPW so I'm not sure how its flying characteristics would be different from a dual line foil, except of course ultimate low end NPW
can deliver.
I do not know the answer to that question. I haven't tried a foil/trainer on short lines. Do you already have a foil/trainer? If so, you might have
to try it out and let us know. I haven't heard anyone comment on using them with short lines.
I think Randy might have tried it but I don't remember what he said.
I did try using my ATB with a HQ Rush 200 (~1,5 m?) and a HQ Hydro 350 (3.4 m), but both on long lines but didn't have the space or the skill to make
it work very well. Never tried either on short lines. I never really got going well though until I tried the NS2 (5.5 m) on very short lines. Since
then I've used much smaller NPW's on varying line lengths. I have been thinking of trying the HQ 350 on short lines though and will report back if I
get anywhere with it.
Next question is whether a large 2m-3m-4m trainer, on short 3-6m lines would work for streetkiting?
I assume it won't fly in almost no wind like the Peak or NPW, but otherwise it should work, right?
Some fly better on short lines than others. High AR and short lines I've had larger issues with (especially lines too short) than other kites. Beamer,
Soulfly and Tensor all handle short lines well enough... My Ace is pickier, and not tried them with the Little Devil. Beamer I've flown straight off
the bridle in high winds and had it work.
Do you already have a foil/trainer? If so, you might have to try it out and let us know
So I did it today!
Dual lines New Tech Kites Thunderfoil 3.6m on 6m lines and 55cm bar. It was too much wind to play with a simple quadcopter outside hence just enough
wind to fly a kite, and ride a longboard. Good combination, nice transitions and toeside riding. Obviously unhooked and mostly flying with one hand.
Haven't I had vested thousands in kite gear already I'd be so happy now to get into the sport for so cheap - with just a trainer and a longboard
But I'm pretty happy anyways, it was a good riding day!
Do you already have a foil/trainer? If so, you might have to try it out and let us know
So I did it today!
Dual lines New Tech Kites Thunderfoil 3.6m on 6m lines and 55cm bar. It was too much wind to play with a simple qudcopter outside hence just enough
wind to fly a kite, and ride a longboard. Good combination, nice transitions and toeside riding. Obviously unhooked and mostly flying with one hand.
Haven't I had vested thousands in kite gear already I'd be so happy now to get into the sport for so cheap - with just a trainer and a longboard
But I'm pretty happy anyways, it was a good riding day!
Awesome!
I agree, for a very minimal investment, one can get going with a longboard set up. I thought the same thing the first time I did it.
Had a really fun session on my 3.4 NPW9 and skateboard today. Wind was out of the north at 12-25mph today. GusTY!
I was a little reluctant at first considering the strength of the gusts and especially riding on asphalt but after the buggy didn't really pan out, I
decided to give it a good.
These kites are pretty amazing. Turns faster than crap connecting directly to the the bridles but doesn't feel scary. Very confident inspiring.
Handled the lulls really well which were probably closer to 7mph. The path is only about 200 yds long and not wide enough to turn around so that meant
getting off the board at every tack...I must have gone about 15 miles. I don't know why I find it so fun but I just couldn't stop!
One thing though...I tried to set up the NPW9 on a 4 line fixed bridle bar but it flew really bad. Fine tuned it the best I could but just couldn't
even come close to the flight characteristics I got with the handles. Kinda sucked, because I would have really liked to have practiced my 1 handed
riding today (during the calm periods of course ).
Which got me thinking...I really hope I can get the same flight results with just the bar on the Nasa Stars and not have to fly with handles on those
as well.
Any one feel like commenting about the NS on a 2 line bar in really gusty winds? Any problems with stability, backstalling, etc?
Flexifoil Blurr 2.5, Ozone Cult 3.5, Nasa Star 3 4.0 Ozone Yakuza 4.0, PL Reactor 4.9, JoJo RM+ 5.0, Ozone Method 5.0, Ozone Yakuza 6.0, Flexifoil
Blade IV 6.5, Nasa Star 3 7.0, PL Vapor 7.8, JoJo RX 8.0 (in route), Flexifoil Blade VIP 8.5, PL Vapor 9.4, Ozone Yakuza 10.0, PL Reactor II 10.8, PL
Vapor 16.1, PL Venom II 13, PL Charger 15, 19, Flysurfer Unity 12, Flysurfer Pulse 2 14, Flysurfer Speed 2 SA 19, Flysurfer Speed 3 21, MBS Comp 95
landboard, PL Folding buggy, PL XR+ buggy, Slingshot LFT, Lots of surfboards
Had a really fun session on my 3.4 NPW9 and skateboard today. Wind was out of the north at 12-25mph today. GusTY!
I was a little reluctant at first considering the strength of the gusts and especially riding on asphalt but after the buggy didn't really pan out, I
decided to give it a good.
These kites are pretty amazing. Turns faster than crap connecting directly to the the bridles but doesn't feel scary. Very confident inspiring.
Handled the lulls really well which were probably closer to 7mph. The path is only about 200 yds long and not wide enough to turn around so that meant
getting off the board at every tack...I must have gone about 15 miles. I don't know why I find it so fun but I just couldn't stop!
One thing though...I tried to set up the NPW9 on a 4 line fixed bridle bar but it flew really bad. Fine tuned it the best I could but just couldn't
even come close to the flight characteristics I got with the handles. Kinda sucked, because I would have really liked to have practiced my 1 handed
riding today (during the calm periods of course ).
Which got me thinking...I really hope I can get the same flight results with just the bar on the Nasa Stars and not have to fly with handles on those
as well.
Any one feel like commenting about the NS on a 2 line bar in really gusty winds? Any problems with stability, backstalling, etc?
The only issues I've had with backstalling with NS3s have been when the winds were too light for the conditions or I was flying a very large kite (8.5
- 12.5m). The smaller kites seem to fly just fine off of the bar without any bridle adjustments. Normally the NS3s are three-line kites, but the
central 3rd line is just used to scrunch up the nose of the kite or as a safety line and can easily be disregarded if you want to forgo those
features.
I could see some backstalling occurring in really gusty winds if you have sized the kite to handle the gusts without being dangerously overpowered.
Backstalls could then happen during the lulls if you don't keep the kite moving properly as it would then be undersized for the conditions. For
example, it is possible to backstall pretty much any NS3 if you try to hover it at zenith and it is undersized for the wind at the moment of the
hover.
Sounds like a fun session. Regarding setting up the npw9 on a bar, I set up my susan made npw on a 2 line bar by connecting the 5m lines to both
brake and power bridles on the kite. I just larks head knotted the brake and power together to the fly line. That set up worked just fine on a bar.
Depending on how well balanced your brake and power bridle leaders are, you might have to tune the tension on the brake bridle leaders/pigtails but I
did get mine to fly properly.
Regarding the nasa star 2 line bar gusty wind flying, I don't have any stability problems or backwards flying UNLESS I'm flying in severely wind
shadowed areas OR flying the 7m in very light wind with lulls of no wind. Other than that, they remain perfectly stable. The gusts do not bother the
stability at all, it's just if you hit a pocket of dead air or anything that will stall the kite that they will have trouble.
I need to clarify my above remarks. All is true with 5 meter lines. When you go to no lines, the stability and back flying become more of an issue in
the lulls
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