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Originally posted by nwsurfwakeskate don't aluminum spars corrode and didn't there used to be a warning about using aluminum spars because they could break and damage the pockets? just wondering if they were ever redesigned since everything I've ever read says stay away from using aluminum.

Carbon can break and splinter. Aluminum sticks will bend or kink at the worst. Can be replaced with shock-corded tent poles trimmed to length with inexpensive tubing cutter. Aluminum CAN corrode over time esp with salt, but not a problem with a little care.

Only field mod. the aluminum sticks need is electrical tape around the end caps to keep them from coming off in the pockets.

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when I referred to pulleys to reduce bar pressure I meant on the kite not the bar. I think the synergy has something like this although I'm not sure exactly what its for, I assumed it was for bar pressure.

Could be an easily removable option to suit the rider

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Also I like the old rocketlauncher style bag idea too. I use one piece fiberglass spars in my phantom 12m and when I bought the kite it didn't come with the phantom bag instead it had an old S-Arc sail style bag. it allows me to keep the kite R2F with bar, lines, spars all hooked up and ready to go in a nice package.

The 18m Phanny I have has an expandable bag

good call AC, crashing an arc is basically an intentional act............................in 12 to 18 mph winds, my 15m inflates in no more than 2 minutes.....the back pressure easily fills the upwind half nicely.......................again a great kite:duh::duh:

*pulls up a chair

this is really interesting, most things people would change seem pretty minimal and very easily implemented...

my 2 cents, put a graphic on the bottom of the kite too, no reason we shouldnt enjoy a cool design as much as the passer-byers

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Originally posted by Drewculous *pulls up a chair this is really interesting, most things people would change seem pretty minimal and very easily implemented... my 2 cents, put a graphic on the bottom of the kite too, no reason we shouldnt enjoy a cool design as much as the passer-byers

I second that!

Drewculous GREAT idea! Please make this happen.

I vote yes on the twin skin idea!

good call AC, crashing an arc is basically an intentional act....................


You'd think so, but I think it's at least a dozen or more that I've repaired. Some from impacts with objects causing large rips but the majority were burst cells. Most were straight forward bangs (sometimes not that hard either, just the right conditions) and others that people swore they never crashed but noticed a bulge while flying.
Sh_t happens. Even with them being great kites to train people on because of the auto zenith, every year from new purchasers to well seasoned pilots I'm doing repairs. Not sure what the best solution is. Even with blow out valves kites can still burst. The best thing is to have a way to minimize damage or direct it to an area that is easily repairable.

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You guys getting senile?

Hilarious!!! And, given the collective age of most kiters that I know, probably true:singing:

sailkote to the zips and stix (aluminium) a couple times a month..........good to go

Include free zippers and I'm sold on just about anything ...

so... -mj-
you have all you need...

Go forth and make everyone happy, with a new, nasty, Phantom II!! (make sure it has zippers, or there will be hell to pay, lol)

Okay, it looks like we need to do this, my guess now is that the Phantom II will be a "limited edition" with all the new features discussed here implemented.

Double graphics, I'd like to see that too but I think it's not gonna happen, costs more, tricky to get both skins to match exactly and the kite will weigh a bit more.

Blow out valves, thought about by the design team but not done, not sure why.

Pulleys, for all the good they do, they still should be optional, standard on the kite but easily removable.
they help reduce barpressure, make for faster steering, quicker turns but there are people out there that don't like them (maybe due to bad experiences with cheap ones, we use Ronstan pulleys on all kites)

Availability, I guess it will take at least 9 months to give birth to this idea.
I know that there are computer models made, but right now we are working on a lot of things already.

Thanks for everyones input so far.

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Originally posted by -mj- Double graphics, I'd like to see that too but I think it's not gonna happen, costs more, tricky to get both skins to match exactly and the kite will weigh a bit more.

As far as the double graphics, i dont think it would need to be an exact mirror of the top, just something besides white... The actual peter lynn logo is cool in itself(the swirly guy), even just like a black/white bottom with the logo in the color of the top skin (blue/yellow/orange/green or whatever the new scheme would be)
I would stay away from a full text display of "Peter Lynn" spanning 30' from one end to the other, but something underneath would be an improvement...
maybe some phantom 'teeth' on the edges that come in only a few cells?

at any rate the 2nd gen is bound to be amazing, PL makes a hell of a kite!

You've got a pile of people panting....better not make it too limited of an edition ; )

I call dibs! One of each please. I'll deal with the wife

again..............................

build it they will come.........................................:duh::duh:

Im in for a 12m.......................................:duh::duh:

This is very interesting !

I HAVE to get some time in on the original Phanny !

Rip', Please bring ours out on Sat. !
:Ange09:

glad to hear aboutthe re-release! i will have to start saving double time now.... first some vapors, then a 9m phanny!

I'll be having an 18 please. :wee:

9 months to make it happen....


YES! Plenty of time to save for a couple!

D'Arc side, here I come!

A poster on Arcusers forum said the Phantom II is confirmed

Sizes will be 6,8,10,13,16,20 & possibly a 30Meter low wind monster. Anyone seen one of these out at NABX?

They speculated on a Christmas release.

winter/spring winds with a 13 should be alota fun in these parts.....................Angus put me on the pre-order list...........................these kites are so fun on water since they fly so far forward in the window i.e. Speed/Speed 2 and because technically they werent designed for water...................the 15 Phanny on water was sweet.........never flew it on land......

so what are the new design features on the 2.......more cells, VPC, tip zips?

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Originally posted by tridude ... so what are the new design features on the 2.......more cells, VPC, tip zips?

In the larger models they're using a carbon fiber skin and spars made with nano-tube technology. It's the same tech used in high performance sails. It's the only way they could get the light wind performance down to 2 knots of wind.

I just hope they use this in the mid size kites--say the 10, 13 and 16 sizes. On good surfaces like dry lake or hard-pack beach they'd generate enough power to go. It would really extend the wind range of the kite.

Philip

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Originally posted by pbc Quote: Originally posted by tridude ... so what are the new design features on the 2.......more cells, VPC, tip zips? In the larger models they're using a carbon fiber skin and spars made with nano-tube technology. It's the same tech used in high performance sails. It's the only way they could get the light wind performance down to 2 knots of wind. I just hope they use this in the mid size kites--say the 10, 13 and 16 sizes. On good surfaces like dry lake or hard-pack beach they'd generate enough power to go. It would really extend the wind range of the kite. Philip

will this kite be afforadable with carbon skin..........................this is kiting not Americas Cup..................

Just for clarification: Carbon fiber or cuben fiber?

ATB,
Sam

I would be very interested in a 30m

As a kite or a summer guest house? :o

ATB,
Sam

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Originally posted by indigo_wolf Just for clarification: Carbon fiber or cuben fiber? ATB, Sam

Vlieger Op was not able to use that technology due to North Sails' exclusive license.

Philip

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Originally posted by indigo_wolf As a kite or a summer guest house? :o ATB, Sam

Both! Coming soon in a video to be placed in the kite boating section.

I thought cuben fiber was Bests baby.....................regardless I hope they keep prices in the affordable range................if PL were to head down the path of the SA2/S3 via canopy materials, I for one would not be interested.......................