We stripped everything off the stock PL bars, then you need a chicken loop with a cleat on the side. At first we bought cleats and screwed them onto the side of the loop (now I just order extra chicken loops that come with the cleat from another company I deal with). Then you need about 8 - 8 1/2 feet of 5mm amsteel for your trim line. At the top of the trim line instead of running it through a pulley and back down you can use a welded ring about 1.5 inch that will allow the line to slide easily. Jim had made some stoppers modeled after the ones I've bought. When you set up the centre line it will go from the loop, up through a ball to keep the lines snug, through the bar, through one side of the stopper, through the ring, back down through the stopper, the bar, the ball and tied off on the ch. loop. Because you will now have a full arms length plus a few inches to push the bar all the way, the outside leaders that were on the stock bar are a few inches too short so you need to put new longer leaders on.
- set trim to max power, pull bar up to ch loop.
- you will need to put a couple of pigtails on the top ring to attach front flying lines
- make leaders long enough to equal out point where all lines attach
- we also set up a 2 ring safety some kites on front, some on rear
I'll check what spare components I have Bob and I'll send you a U2U
Mark

long throw bar - basic set up drawing attached

A picture is worth a thousand words. I was keeping up fine till you didn't say anything about a cleat or trim strap up top. Very simple setup. The cleated chicken loop is the only thing that I'm wondering how to accomplish. I'll wait to hear from you Mark.

Bob I've sent you an email on your reg email - check to see if you got it and I'll help you out.
Mark

WOW Mark.

This is exactly what I have been waiting to hear !!

With this in mind you have 2 choices . You can keep 2 bars or go long throw and get used to it on the older kites.

As I see it the Navigator has the adjustble stopper as well. To me it seems key.

Bring it ON

very nice, reminds of LF bar ,"below the bar trim" same concept best i can tell.

Now I wish I kept that 29" carbon slingshot bar for future monster arcs - it had nearly everything I now want on a bar

I have to insert here that my experience with a CL trim cleat (on my Ranger bar) is problematic.
It's hard to get enough leverage to reach and pull in/depower a tight line from such a low angle.
(maybe not so much for you younger gym rats!)

It's really a copy from my Ocean Rodeo set up but using a twinskin 2 ring safety. You could use any number of bars and loops - the sliding stopper varies in design from different companies. On the first generation sliding stopper from Ocean Rodeo it was a cylinder of ahhh brain cloud .... that black stuff you can machine and make kite fittings out of - delrin. Two parallel hole for the line and the holes are slightly conical shape (wider hole at the top). The newer one is a molded piece with a tab that snaps into the centre to adjust tension for the amount of pressure needed to push out on the stopper in case you set it for power ad need to punch up for depower.

I still have different bar lengths for different kite sizes and the kites have the extensions on them. I prefer not to adjust the trim that much to account for the extensions because you will have line dangling and now that I think of it that there are a couple of drawbacks to this system:
1) if you have a lot of line dangling - it's usually only from 1 to 8 inches but if you pull more to really have the kite running more depowered than the line dangling could wrap around the loop or hook. I've seen that when I surf and get in the water and churned in waves. The Ocean Rodeo set-up had velcro on the side of loop and at end of trim line so you could stick the end of the line up neatly
2) by running any line through a cleat it does wear the line and you will need to replace it once in a while. It is easy enough to replace the trim line and I've got bars that have lasted a few years before replacing and others that I've had in the sand, wet, sand - abrasion.... that I've changed at the end of the year (line replacement about 10.00)

It's a simple set-up and could use some refinement, especially when it comes to safety systems.

In the winter when we are out in nuking gusty crap the long throw comes in really handy and I just can't say enough about it buggying on the dry lake. Not only having kites that are flexible to wind conditions but a power range that's all in one without needing to try and reach up and pull a strap is great - you get far more time riding - I'm usually in the buggy from first hint of wind until sundown.

Thanks Mark! I just finished mine! I used a Slingshot pully bar. I just took the pullys off and refitted. Hopefully I will get a chance to test it out this afternoon.................aj:wee:

Let us know how it works out AJ and if you have any questions etc - you get to kite more than almost anyone I know - you lucky bastard!

I might as well post this for others - answering a question from email:

When setting up the long throw you have the bar tight to the C.L. and trim line all the way out so it's at it's longest length from bar to line attachment. Set your new leaders so that all four lines are attached at same horizontal plane.

If you use the pervious PL safety leash you may need to add a small line extension because it will be attached further away. If it's too short you will be pulling on one side of the bar - too long it will hang down and flap in your face at 60mph!

The ring for main lines should be a nice size, about 1 3/4 - 2 inch welded and thicker so the line runs through it smooth. The rings for safety can be smaller welded rings but make sure they are not thin rings, get good quality.

When adjusting trim (it will vary in different wind conditions) I adjust the trim so that when I swoop the kite and pull in on the bar all the way the kite won't stop or back down. That'll give you max power and then from this point you are good to go. When you push the bar out you may find you get full depower at about 2/3 your reach and other really windy times you may next to go to full arm extension. There is a bit more travel available on my trim line but the thing to keep in mind; if your stopper goes all the way to the top (by the ring or pulley) and you let go of the bar, the bar will slide all the way up a few inches just beyond your reach - so you would need to grab the the centre lines and pull it down a little so you can reach the bar again.

hope that helps

i am using my longthrow naish helix bar 2009 for my PL scorpion 7sqm. it works perfectly. i also do not need a stopper, because the vpc in middle position seems to keep some rear line tension, such that even with no rearline tension through a stopper the kite will autozenit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KebALd0l20

Where is the Charger? Any updates from some Dealers? I'm getting anxious and my wallet is itching to spend

I want to fly! Haha


Brian:Ange09:

I saw Gunnar was selling his set off as he's joined with Flysurfer now (posted on the kitecrowd forum)

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Originally posted by markite Let us know how it works out AJ and if you have any questions etc - you get to kite more than almost anyone I know - you lucky bastard!

I like the bar setup! I put 5 hrs in today in the 4-6ft surf with 15-25 sideshore winds. The stopper really help my arms from wearing out. The adjustment took a some work but I completely understand it now. I used it at one point to pull in a jetski with 3 people that broke down 1/4 mile offshore.The kite of the day was a 15m phantom....................aj:wee::wee::wee:

Wait a minute. I need to here more about this. You cannot get planing speed on a board and kite pulling 3 people on a Jetski. So what up? This has to be a good story.

Three people flipped the jet ski in the surf 1/4 mile offshore, they turned it back over .I simply depowerd the kite and jumped onto the jetski. I had the 3 people hold onto the back of the ski and pulled everyone in. Easy enough!.......aj

You really need to get this into the St Pete Times. I can see the headline now: "Kite surfer rescues 3 after boating accident". The power kiting community needs that kind of good press.

AJ is our hero!

Philip

Easy Enough for AJ

People are going to start expecting you to start swooping in like " Phantom man " all along the bay !

Nice move budd'. Did the local press get ahold of it ?

FWIW, I've used long throw bars with all my Peter Lynns, starting with the original Guerilla all the way to my Venom 19. I'm 6'5" and the "normal" throw just wasn't comfortable, so I rigged my own bars and found that it was not only more comfortable, but I also had a lot more top end range with the kites. I've also tried chicken loops with the cleat on them and didn't like it. You just can't get enough leverage to pull in the trim. Another bar worth considering to mod for PL's is the Best kites bar. I have an 07 bar that I'm sure would work great with a PL.

another video showing a scorpion on a naish 2009 long throw bar, this time i put the kite on an anchor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7EBwSDB5mg

Today I had the honour to see the charger live, including the new Navigator bar. It was at Germanys KLB Masters in Wanlo.

Problem was I couldn't test fly it because there was virtually no wind! ARGH! I just hope that i will have better luck tomorrow. Here are some pics:







More pictures from the windless event.

thank you very much for the pictures!! how much wind was it ? below 6 knots ?
at least, it really seems to hold the air very well - or does it finally has so good vents that it stays inflated the way we can see in the picture?

Yeah, somewhere in the region. The wind looked good in the morning, but during the first race it got really low. Then everyone packed up... Hope it gets better tomorrow.

It holds the air as well as my VenomII, for a couple hours ;-)

looks like Flysurfer had no issues................................:shocked2::shocked2::duh::duh:

great pix.....................pic #12 looks alot like Sullis minus the sand.........................:shocked2::shocked2::duh::duh:

The pictures with kites up were from earlier today, there was still a little wind. But after like 2 hours it was all gone. Even the new speed 3 silver arrows werent able to give enough pull then, so they cancelled the freestyle contest, i hope we will have more wind tomorrow.

yes I hope you do.............many are waiting to hear about the Charger............................

this event was on my todo list and im gutted i didnt make it but as there was no wind it eases my guilt slightly!!!

Well, again, not really enough wind to fly the arcs. The guys from PL flew the 19 Charger with extensions, but i didn't feel comfortable trying her in these low winds. I added some pictures from today.

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Toby