Actually, Eli will probably stick with winning 1st place with His new Quantum kites like he JUST DID at IBB !
When did a brand new event at Ivanpah become a WORLD CLASS RACE? How many people entered? How long was the course? What was the windspeeds? What other
wings were being flown?
I mean, these are all pieces of info that are around when you throw an official, world-level, race-event, right?
Why has no kite forum covered this BIG RACE? I'm on several of them. Hell, why hasn't even OUR OWN forum covered this BIG RACE?
I've never seen so many people come into a pissing contest just to squirt a bit of their own urine around, so I might as well join in the spraying of
fluids, I at least wore goggles.
Where on earth did I suggest Eli won a " WORLD CLASS RACE " all in capital letters ? My quote was clear. He won at IBB. He also hosted the race
clinics and put up with all sorts of BS from folks who wanted to do nothing but complain. He deserves my respect for that and all he does to promote
the sport. Kami doesn't know Eli and it was interesting he challenged him to go out and win a couple of races when that is what he had just done. I
trust that Kami knows I still respect his opinion but was defending what Eli had worked so hard at . ( All so folks like you can whine. )
You make it clear your soul purpose is to come on here and stir it up. This is a thread about the Chrono and you have not offered anything valuable. I
don't want this worthwhile thread to go south . Lets get back on topic.
I am still wondering why they designed the series with a top end of 18 kts on land ? :puzzled:
You know, I've been checking back to this thread from now and then. Noticing a lack of the "Warm fuzzy PKF" vibe. Seems a lot of people gunning for other people in the forum lately.
Chris Krug-Owner @ Hardwater Kiting. Authorized Dealer of Ozone, Flysurfer, HQ kites. www.hardwaterkiter.com 603-986-2784
I do agree though that this thread, for whatever reason, seems to have polarized a few. If you like ozone, great. If you don't, great. But why rain
on another's parade and care what others think/like/fly. Be happy with your choices and let them be happy with theirs. No one is forcing anyone to
buy anything (FS, Ozone, Elf or otherwise).
Depower Quiver: 14m Gin Eskimo, 10m Gin Eskimo III, 6m Gin Yeti, 4.5m Gin Yeti (custom bridle and mixer)
Fixed Bridle Quiver: MAC Bego 400, JOJO ET Instinct 2.5 & 5.5, Lil Devil 1.5, Sting 1.2
Rides: Ground Industries
You make it clear your SOLE(corrected) purpose is to come on here and stir it up. This is a thread about the Chrono and you have not offered anything
valuable.
Good job ignoring all my questions about the race at IBB! Really useful info about the race, the competitors, and the kites involved, thanks! I'm
guessing there was a chrono involved? Just a guess.
You brought up the race win as a 'proof', but don't want to talk about it? Logical.
1. Team riders are allowed to say whatever they want about their products. Usually this will be a repeat verbatim of what the marketing team wrote.
2. We're allowed to poke holes in what the marketing people would like to sell us.
3. You don't own ozone(the company) so why are you getting your feelings so hurt on this topic?
4. Eli's not being specifically attacked, the marketing language and sales package is.
Tide? What's a tide? Man, it's 1000 miles to any ocean.
I'm with 3shot, nothin but kite love here too and bladerunner just wants to discuss a cool new kite and there's never anything wrong with that.
Lighten up guys, we're talking about kites, not solving world problems.
As a snowkiter I'm the minority on this forum and I don't have a lot in common with most people in here. There are a lot of other forums that I could
frequent but I like the general level of mutual respect and support that is found here. The maturity level, (low as it is :D. )is considerably higher
than most of the other forums. There just seems to be a higher than usual level of conflict here lately, especially in this thread. But could simply
be the result of a target rich environment tho.
There's a lot of truth to erratic's list there.
As a team rider I always tried promote the brand based on it's strengths and not on the marketing BS that the marketing geeks try to shove down
consumer's throats. Some team riders embrace their brand as the end all best thing ever and become zealots. Sometimes by choice, sometimes by
contract. When sponsored I never jump on the band wagon and pimp segments of the brand that I have no experience with. My personal integrity is worth
more to me than a sponsorship and my opinions are based on my real world experiences with the product, not simple because I'm sponsored. This is a
hard thing for most sponsors to swallow. It doesn't make me the best candidate for sponsorship.
If you want to immediately lose credibility in regards to your opinion on something, become sponsored. If you talk up your brand people disregard it
because you're sponsored. If you have an issue with a brand other than yours people assume it's because your sponsored.
The bottom line is this. Blind loyalty and fanboy(girl)ism is visible 100 miles away. Spouting off about how great a product is before you've even
tried it doesn't sit well with the more savvy or cynical consumers and as a brand, blowing your own horn and disregarding everyone else's product
doesn't make you look good it makes you look weak. If your product is a solid performer you should be secure enough with it to openly recognize the
value in other brands as well as admit that your product may not be right for everyone in every situation. Nobody is making a bad kite these days as
far as I can tell. Some are making some kites that are better at some thing than others but really what modern kite totally sux now? We sell Ozone,
Flysurfer, HQ and Peter Lynn. I consider myself extremely fortunate to be able to interact with all these brands and sample and support the products
they offer. I obviously have a strong connection to Arcs and they are still my favorite kite to fly but I recognize that Flysurfer Peaks, HQ Matrixxs
and Ozone Summits are all great kites in their own ways.
I'm sure the Chrono is an awesome kite and I'm looking forward to getting it on the snow and putting it head to head with our local riders. There's a
lot of talk about how fast it is and I'd like to see for myself. I have no doubt though that it is a wicked fun kite and a great light wind option.
Ozone isn't know for making junk and I'm sure this is no exception. But I think that the marketing blitz does need a cool down. It does seem to be
coming on strong and puts people off.
My last day on the ice for the season was supposed to be today. I've been watching a certain lake all week waiting for today but other more important
things came up. Winds 23 gusting 45mph, would have been a killer speed session. :evil: Oh well, next year!
Chris Krug-Owner @ Hardwater Kiting. Authorized Dealer of Ozone, Flysurfer, HQ kites. www.hardwaterkiter.com 603-986-2784
It's like... Ozone hired Michael Bay to write the press kit propaganda that got handed out to the team riders... but The Onion got hold of it :D
"New, for the first time since the last one, from the most awesome company the world has ever seen, comes this summers's blockbuster legend -- the
greatest all-terrain kite that will dominate every event it's entered in the last two months!"
Kami, I generally appreciate your offerings, but you are like a broken record on this thread. We get it, you and the FS folks at Foilzone don't like
the chrono. Just don't buy one and let it go. We don't need you to correct all the marketing wrongs of the world.
FWIW I have no interest in this kite but don't mind reading / learning about it or any other. I think most can screen out the marketing speak without
help from other over zealous critics.
Depower Quiver: 14m Gin Eskimo, 10m Gin Eskimo III, 6m Gin Yeti, 4.5m Gin Yeti (custom bridle and mixer)
Fixed Bridle Quiver: MAC Bego 400, JOJO ET Instinct 2.5 & 5.5, Lil Devil 1.5, Sting 1.2
Rides: Ground Industries
Kami, I generally appreciate your offerings, but you are like a broken record on this thread. We get it, you and the FS folks at Foilzone don't like
the chrono. Just don't buy one and let it go. We don't need you to correct all the marketing wrongs of the world.
FWIW I have no interest in this kite but don't mind reading / learning about it or any other. I think most can screen out the marketing speak without
help from other over zealous critics.
Ugh, no you DON'T get it - it's NOT about pimping the Flysurfer or dissing Oozne! Ffffffuuuuuu....
Feyd's second to last post have the problem here covered...
Finally this thread lightened up! Personally, I can't decide between
the 12 and 14m for Ivanpah. :smug: It seems odd to make such a fast looking kite that there isn't a size to fly when the wind starts really blowing.
Maybe there are other offerings in the pipeline that will cause it to look like a grand plan in the end.
Coastal Wind Sports Team Rider Landsegler Disc wheels
PTW Hero Buggy - XXtreme ApeXX Buggy US 88 - Libre Hardcore IvanpahBuggyExpo.com Youtube link
Bob Muse
HQ Montana X 8m, Montana IX 12m, HQ Ignition LEI 5m,
PL Phantom 12m, 15m, Big Blu 24m+, Synergy 10m, Venom 10m, 13m , Phantom II 12m Vapors 3.8, 5.4, Crosskite Sonic 7m, PKD Combat 10.3m
Uturn Butane 2.5m PKD Buster 3m Genetrix Hydra 7m Ozone Yakuza GT 14m
There I unpacked, assembled and launched my first 12M Chrono experience!
ANY AND ALL CONCERNS I HAD ABOUT INFLATION, DEPRESSURIZATION, AND STABILITY ON THE EDGE OF THE WINDOW WERE COMPLETELY SQUASHED!
and...
ALL OF MY EXPECTATIONS WERE EXCEEDED!
This is probably the 4th brand of closed cell foil I've flown, AND at least the 10th model of closed cell foil I flown. THE OZONE CHRONO IS BY FAR
THE BEST!
Assembly was super easy, the Chrono bar is brilliant! It inflated faster than any Flysurfer I've flown, or Peter Lynn that I've flown, as well as
turned quicker and stuck the edge of the window like a dart to dart board!
I can't believe it's Race Profile works so well on a bar!!!
Always was light -- this is the internet, take it seriously at the cost of your mental health...
Dump the Chrono in the water and get back to us, would you? I have a sneaking feeling I know why they inflate so fast...
It's all good. the Chrono relaunches very well. The fabric is very tight, close to zero porosity!
Definition of Porosity or void fraction:
" is a measure of the void (i.e., "empty") spaces in a material, and is a fraction of the volume of voids over the total volume, between 0 and 1, or
as a percentage between 0 and 100%. There are many ways to test porosity in a substance or part, such as industrial CT scanning. The term porosity is
used in multiple fields including pharmaceutics, ceramics, metallurgy, materials, manufacturing, earth sciences, soil mechanics and engineering."
The wind range could easily eliminate the need for more that a couple kites. No Pumping and huge wind range!
I intakes are long valves built with water resistant material.
The reason why it inflates so well is that Ozone is the best at designing ram air technology! The designer rides the kite and test every aspect of
it's performance, and eliminates any problem that could come up. Robbie's dad wrote the book on it!
Kamikuza, try one! The Chrono is so incredibly tight and well engineered it could not of come one day earlier!
It is leading the foil re-evolution!
Good luck out there with what ever you fly. If you're interested at all in the Chrono, go get your hands on one!
Everyone is entitled to their opnion. Say what you will, but is bashing really necessary?
True that… but scoffing at delusions of grandeur and pointing at inaccuracies and falsehoods is not bashing -- bashing would be baseless mocking.
That's not what's going on here.
I see "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" has made its way into this sport too…
I put this out there for ya Kamikuza.
I will take you on snow water or land!
and at the end of the day, I will still have more fun and more friends!
And that would prove... yours is the better kite...? My delusions of grandeur was
directed at Ozone's marketing spiel not you or your achievements -- wasn't having a swipe at you! I know that it's more often than not the man and not
the machine....
"Relaunches fine" is not the reports that are coming in from seasoned foil riders in marginal conditions on the water, so excuse me if I don't take
your word on that. Too much AR is my guess...
Porosity isn't on my mind, it's the internal structure of the cells -- the reason FSers fill slower is the passageways between cells. I'm guessing the
Chrono is more open and am wondering. How that affects relaunch...
There's a dealer here who apparently has demos, down in Okinawa. Odds are better for me if I go down there though... but I doubt there are any
surprises in store. Sorry
Are you dissing my achievements? Any idea of my kite history?
Do you agree that if you are a seasoned foil rider, in marginal conditions that one might experience subjective issues based on how one might handle
their board, not the kite?
My style of riding, as an athlete, says that if I neglect the shape of my kite, than I am not competing to win, I'm just competing...
Choose your path my friend.
I like to challenge myself. The only one I'm worried about beating on the course no matter how easy or technical, via land, snow, or water, is
myself! ME...not you!
In all my years of participating in a meaningful way within kite sports...I HAVE NEVER SEEN A BETTER LIGHT WIND CLOSED CELL DEPOWER KITE!
Good luck out there with what ever you fly. If you're interested at all in the Chrono, go get your hands on one!
Uh?
No, I said that already. No and I'm wondering how that's relevant.
No.
Uh?
I choose all of them :D
Then why challenge me to a race?
Good for you. If that's your only criteria, I'm sure you'll be happy.
Thanks. Well, since you put it that way, I won't bother
Uh?
No, I said that already. No and I'm wondering how that's relevant.
No.
Uh?
I choose all of them :D
Then why challenge me to a race?
Good for you. If that's your only criteria, I'm sure you'll be happy.
Thanks. Well, since you put it that way, I won't bother
After reading this thread, and seeing all of the different opions people have about kites and each other I have only this to say.
Chedder Cheese rules!!
All of you who eat any other type of cheese are fools and have no palate!
The only execption to this would be any flaver of canned cheese will do when one has no chedder!
Now just replace cheese with your choosen brand of kite, and eat with fly.
Now read this post aloud 10 times.
You sound funny!
Just get out there and fly fool. Don't forget to smile.
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US911
What I ride, and fly
Custom KBSS Libre Hardcore with John Deer tires!
Ozone R1 11m, Ozone Summit 10ul, 15m ul
Are there any mods on this board? I'm new here, but this thread should have been locked a while ago in my opinion. Too much butt hurt and too many
egos. Nothing good to come of it. We're talking about kites here, kites. Kites. Say it out loud, kites. And several of you folks are just adding
fuel to the fire for no reason. We're a bunch of old guys playing with kites... let's keep it light and civil for crap sakes.
After reading this thread, and seeing all of the different opions people have about kites and each other I have only this to say.
Chedder Cheese rules!!
All of you who eat any other type of cheese are fools and have no palate!
The only execption to this would be any flaver of canned cheese will do when one has no chedder!
Now just replace cheese with your choosen brand of kite, and eat with fly.
Now read this post aloud 10 times.
You sound funny!
Just get out there and fly fool. Don't forget to smile.
Cheddar is ok but Gouda is the best!
Coastal Wind Sports Team Rider Landsegler Disc wheels
PTW Hero Buggy - XXtreme ApeXX Buggy US 88 - Libre Hardcore IvanpahBuggyExpo.com Youtube link
Bob Muse
HQ Montana X 8m, Montana IX 12m, HQ Ignition LEI 5m,
PL Phantom 12m, 15m, Big Blu 24m+, Synergy 10m, Venom 10m, 13m , Phantom II 12m Vapors 3.8, 5.4, Crosskite Sonic 7m, PKD Combat 10.3m
Uturn Butane 2.5m PKD Buster 3m Genetrix Hydra 7m Ozone Yakuza GT 14m
It a funny how those sitting on the sidelines are taking this whole thing oh-so-seriously while most of us "arguing" are just amusing ourselves... ah,
the internet!
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