im really not trying to go against anyones words, i have asked around milwaukee and talked to kites themselves, i have friends to fly with and iv flown kites before. ik hat im getting into and ik what kind of kite it is, iv done the research

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Originally posted by f0rgiv3n To quote beamerbob from an old thread previously showing what happens when new people don't follow advice: "The guy who bought my ace broke his leg really bad that afternoon by not listening to all the advice I gave him." Bob... wasn't that a 5m? K, sorry for beating the dead horse.

That was a 6 meter Pansh Ace, and he admittedly really oversold his abilities to me. He did the hover at zenith, no kite killers, and 2 hours experience combo which added up to double compound fracture in his shin. We should make this a sticky.

http://www.powerkiteforum.com/viewthread.php?tid=5587&pa...

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I don't care if ur pretty much forcing my to buy a small kite first, but I cand afford one, if I ha the money I would buy one. If you guys can find me one for REALLY cheap then I'll buy it, u already ruined me getting the 5.5m I was about to send him the cash and he's just not talking to me anymore. Gay as hell if you ask me, it's my decision and my money

Have some patience a good small kite will turn up. A Pansh Legend 3m is only 109.00 new, but some people spell pansh with an "it" at the end. Here is a video of someone using what looks like a Pansh 3m Legend to learn how to snowkite in lowsh wind.

Your decisions dont' just effect yourself. When you fly powerkites you represent the entire sport. It's a matter of protecting the sport as well man.

Ok and I'm Probably not going to get into it if I can't find a deal on a bigger kite like the helium, that was a perfect deal that I had set up, I even made sure there were kitekillers and he's not talking to me, someone plz talk to him to reconsider, ik what I'm doing

:puzzled::puzzled: Biting my tongue HARD.

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Originally posted by WIllardTheGrey :puzzled::puzzled: Biting my tongue HARD.

It is absolutely your decision to buy a 5.5m kite and it is your money. Unfortunately for you, it is their decision that they do not think it would be responsible for them to sell you 5.5m kite and it is their kite.
My suggestion is you look for an inexpensive used three meter kite. Learn to fly on it and then sell it. You should be able to get back almost what you paid for it. It will not depreciate that much over a couple of months.
I am an experienced and reasonably skilled pilot and a four meter kite has tossed me like a rag doll when hit by an unexpected gust. Start with a small kite in low winds. Work your way up slowly. Remember a three meter kite can delivery about 4 bhp in the right (wrong) conditions quite suddenly.
Good luck with choosing your first kite. Have fun, do not set yourself up to get hurt.
Scudley

ALERT!!! ALERT!!!!! RANT COMING!!!!!

.......................................you know what? I see both sides of this here and feel like we've just turned someone off the sport or worse yet - turned them away from a forum where questions can be answered and support, advice and camaraderie can be gained (even if at first it looks like the feedback isn't going to be heeded). NPW was freaking crazy but all he ever got was a bunch of 'be carefuls' which still resulted in a concussion that laid him out for six months. Lucky for us we all got to watch him (with our hands covering our eyes) and see him do some crazy stuff but more importantly catch his infectious enthusiasm for ALL things ripstop related. I'll never forget the picture of him sitting INSIDE the zip on his Bomba

Yes it's good that we're making it clear that we care about the sport and those that participate. And yes it's possible that this chap was missing the point from time to time. Yes it's possible that he'd be OK. Yes it's possible that he'd have an incident. Yes it's possible that said incident might be bad for the kite community. Yes it's also true that he may never come back here, have said incident anyway, make a strike against power kiters like our Fort Lauderdale lofters but then says "I figured I had to figure it out on my own since all the forums either ignored me or gave me a hard time.....they were right I should listened."

I remember plain as day the day I started this journey. The local forum and kite crew seemed to have a heavy brand based bias and if you weren't flying those colors they seemed to not have the time of day for you. I know MUCH differently now...all I had to do was reach out and ask. xsv did and we what.....we strung him out and hung him out? I hope I didn't play a role in that. If I hadn't found PKF I'd still be flying my Rage but doubt I'd have advanced my skills as much as I have in the short time I've been here because you guys were the only ones who'd listen and teach me (massive props to Bladerunner, Eli and Pablo).

The saddest part is the thought that we might have pushed this guy away from the ONLY place IMO that's worth being a member of. Believe me I've looked as I bounced from classified to classified - my old hobby of this hobby. There is no place like the PKF, no members like the PKF members. We could have said everything we said above (this applies to xsv as well) in a much more respectful, positive, constructive light and maybe, just maybe seen the reckless abandon in our new friend take over and give birth to a new kiter who turns out to one day be an inspiration to others. I bet Hadlow was a pest to the forum world when he first started kiting......

Dammit. I'm stayin out of it from this point forward. I hope you stay safe xsv, and please don't give up on the good that comes from a place like this. I love all of these kiters and respect every word they take the time to share. I can't say I've listened to them all the time but I never blamed them for my own progress either. In fact I blame them FOR my progress. I'd have been all on my own with this if not for PKF.

Peace love and all that stuff.:bigok: U2U me if you think I'm an idiot, I won't check back here but I WILL thank you or your thoughts.

I've seen a crappy old 2m throw little Indonesian guys around the beach big kite, small kite - you go out in the wrong weather and you'll pay the price.

You can learn on a 5m but the margin of error is very low - like Scudley said about getting tossed in a gust by a 3m ... I learned on a nice beach with consistent wind and soft sand to land face down in.
If you make the right decisions about what weather to go out in and your location, you'll be ok. Problem is, experience to make good decisions like that comes from experience with a 3m kite, you'll have a better chance to get that experience without being scared, broken and put off the sport.

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Originally posted by xsv21 Ok and I'm Probably not going to get into it if I can't find a deal on a bigger kite like the helium, that was a perfect deal that I had set up, I even made sure there were kitekillers and he's not talking to me, someone plz talk to him to reconsider, ik what I'm doing

It was the perfect deal except that it was almost double too big for what you should be looking for and its the wrong type kite for you to have an enjoyable regular learning curve and have fun with. On the other hand, it IS your money. You should be able to spend it on whatever you want. I was just as impulsive when I was 16 (and 26) but maybe I learned from those mistakes. You should be given the opportunity to fail too based on your own informed decision.

xsv21 did you look at the forum thread link I posted above?

I did and it really doesn't bug me, plz talk to jokiter about letting me buy it, I'll say it again, I went through all this ik what I'm doing

Wow - that went a bit out of controll!

So I called xsv21 and he is very different from the impression some people might have of him and his posts, including me before I actually talked to him.

To cut a long story and a 45 min call short - he is really looking into kiting and is interested in my Helium 5.5, but we both agree that a similar kite between 3 and 4 meter would fit better here.

Please let him know if you have such a kite for a good price.

Thanks all.

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Originally posted by jokiter Wow - that went a bit out of controll! So I called xsv21 and he is very different from the impression some people might have of him and his posts, including me before I actually talked to him. To cut a long story and a 45 min call short - he is really looking into kiting and is interested in my Helium 5.5, but we both agree that a similar kite between 3 and 4 meter would fit better here. Please let him know if you have such a kite for a good price. Thanks all.

+1 good kiter and karma points for you. Keeping someone safe instead of just making a sale

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Originally posted by WELDNGOD Yeah, and I love to fly all of them. I will buy more too, and sell none. when they won't fly anymore ,they will be stapled to the garage wall or hung from ceiling of Fab shop.

my sentiments exactly.

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If you have kite skills, have someone take a video of you flying a 3m kite in reasonable wind. That will give people some idea of your ability to handle a five meter. There is no reason why someone can not learn to fly on 5m or larger if they do it in low enough wind. You would need to work your way up slowly. I would want to be confident the person would have the judgement of their abilities and the wind to make good decisions. You say you have talked to other kiters in your area. If any are known on here, maybe they could give you a reference.
In the right conditions I have let beginners fly my ten meter fb, right Tonka?, but I am the one judging the conditions. I know how much my kite is pulling before I hand it over. I have to admit that I would be loathe to sell a 5m to an absolute beginner of whom I knew absolutely nothing about their judgement.
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