Are we entering into a global warming debate
I have no doubt that your system works like you say.
We can only debate the differences:
1. the most significant is the fact that with the MK splitter the rig stays with the pilot.
2. the MK QR is built into the pulley system.
3. the pulley rides on a sealed bearing, not open for sand and dirt to get in.
4. the swivel rides on a sealed bearing as well.
5. no multiple connections.
6. no whichards to jam twist or hang up.
7. no ropes & balls to tangle.
8. there are more than 100 units currently being used around the world.
rico your system looks like it works very well and I commend you for developing it.

did not say I comfirme .
the system starts, in fact with the handles it weighs 242g
- The poilie is ... petzl
the swivel is made of stainless
the width of aluminum.
This width allows manual release AND / OR automatic.
you can get up the tank without removing it from the wing.
Each piece is changed independently .
Price 59 euros Kmove
Price pulley 10/15 euros
Swivel 11 euros ( one half is used )

as the kamove the elastic keeps the changeable ( an elastic parts more)
The KAmove have been tested by myself 75 kg
100 kg as a friend while the automatic static load reel.un another friend both manual release .. he weighs 140 kg
This width KAmove have been tested in the laboratory full version of sand / salt / temperature negative athmosphere with ice on it.
This works because width tested / standardized AFNOR 52-503
The only current standard width on the load in the middle of practice kite and kite buggy ..
The width you told me you t he underwent such tests . by a certified laboratory ?
for Kamove . comfirme I ..
I tested the complete system in real terms .. it works .. I also comfirme ...
I returned from real experience being done , I do not sell anything .. I adapt existing system to a reliable , experienced.
the price of the sytem is very low .. but it is viable is still young .....

I would like to know in what conditions MQ system as t he been tested? .. and by whom.

t have been tested in charge? in real load in porch with this same tension over 299 kg. in manual and automatic.

I request the opportunity to see the results of tests done without doubt by a certified independent laboratory.
I think it have been ... a system of security should undergo such tests, I imagine it to have been minimal.

This is not because the system have been sold to 100 copies it reliable.
for example, the width sold by LIBRE (Holt Snatch Block) let me chuckle ... this is hilarious .. and yet island is sold SEVERAL hundred copies

:eekdrull:

you will need to contact the MK splitter manufacture to answer your questions about lab testing. I do not chuckle at the MK splitter, but I have chuckled at some things that have been tested in labs. ok ok if you insist I will do a load test on the MK splitter but you may regret the outcome because the pulley carrying the load splits I don't think it will take much at all to trigger the system, no matter the load. I will even dump sand and water on it. the things I do....

biting my 'inexperienced' toungue!

Quote: Originally posted by MDK

ok ok if you insist I will do a load test on the MK splitter but you may regret the outcome because the pulley carrying the load splits I don't think it will take much at all to trigger the system, no matter the load. I will even dump sand and water on it. the things I do....

lol....unfortunately I don't think there is anything else out there that you can buy that comes remotely close to the quality and execution of the MK Splitter, and there is nothing you can say or do to convince Mike and I any differently, anyone who is lucky enough to own one would never use anything else.....the designer of the system you are referring to rico suggests changing it every year....?? why is that?

I have no idea if the splitter will open on sand but I would suggest it would without much trouble.

I only use the tether when conditions warrant it, high wind, gusty conditions, the moment my back side leaves the seat a few mm more than I have set the tether, the kite is released.... I still even at this stage, if it has not caught me out by too much of a surprise have hold of the handles, and could still possibly control and land the kite, if its just too much or I am completely taken by surprise, the kite is gone, and I am still sat in my buggy, alive without broken bones.

Even in a buggy flipping situation, the kite is gone, so in that case which possibly could be the only case for it getting covered in sand, I am already safe, and the kite would have deflated to a crumpled mess on the floor.

Rico if the parts of your unit are made of aluminium and the designers suggest changing it every year, then in the long run the Splitter will be cheaper, but cost is immaterial if you value your neck and back.

I am not indorsed by MK in anyway either, you have just stumbled upon two extremely happy people with a quality product that we have come to rely/depend upon for rare but unwanted OBEs. (The MK does not stand for popeyethewelder either )

the big difference , that I have nothing to sell.
I will not contact anyone , I 've already done for only a safe gait nonprofit .

it's just the purpose of my gait .. just sharing .

I know very well the system of autolargage Kamove .. I just fit my needs .
if tomorrow , I 'm the only one ride with , it does ask me no problems , the system is viable AND reliable .. and I tested under static load 100kg , and I weighs only 70kg .
my dynamic tests are done too. for me, I would not stay in back .. .

In fact I suggest you test your system you use .. this is a kamove or another .. and the load test .. gantry version autolargage .. I did several test , I turned the system in all directions ( sometimes slept badly ) .. I tried all possible reliability .. and test it were made ​​between 30 and 50 times, if any of these load tests , one and only one time, it does not walk .. I remade everything to understand why.

I have this system , so it must remain unique, it is not a problem , I admit it
I have nothing to sell.

Quote: Originally posted by rico

the big difference , that I have nothing to sell. I have nothing to sell.

neither do I..., I am thrilled you are happy with your system, lets leave it at that ehh because we are just going around in circles

TY was you not me!

Quote: Originally posted by popeyethewelder

Quote: Originally posted by MDK   ok ok if you insist lol....unfortunately I don't think there is anything else out there that you can buy that comes remotely close to the quality and execution of the MK Splitter, and there is nothing you can say or do to convince Mike and I any differently, anyone who is lucky enough to own one would never use anything else.....the designer of the system you are referring to rico suggests changing it every year....?? why is that? you had to necessarily make your load tests .. your real tests of ejection .. voluntary or involuntary. I hardly doubt. can you see them? for me .. below 100 euros .. I have my account .. does it work that fits me very well MK on it is the warranty? for life? 275 .. I hope it is swollen but I hope for you. you control your security system all year? this is the only contractual guarantee that makes you KITATTITUDE POPEYE that uses the width MK is not for me, not a guarantee. POPEYE you pay the width MK how ? can be a gift ? I have nothing to sell, I 'm not sponsored . no deal with kiteattitude ... it is just concluding tests .. I have hidden in the kidney powerkitenet forum that popeye know well .. it just occasionally take things ... in such an automatic width that I thought in 2009 .. it should be on the forum ;-) popeye how many have you sold MK France ? or are your return experience ... ? only some cameras have allowed to sell the MK ? it is very strong .. almost .. the lobing sorry , I have nothing to sell Continiation good to you ... cordially for all those interested I'm available on the french forum .. I only speak french .. but I make an effort to meet you personnaly

Quote: Originally posted by popeyethewelder

Quote: Originally posted by rico   the big difference , that I have nothing to sell. I have nothing to sell. neither do I..., I am thrilled you are happy with your system, lets leave it at that ehh because we are just going around in circles

no ..
You're probably a very good advice .. perhaps?
we do not turn around .. perhaps not in your direction you turn?

Can anyone explain to me what Rico is saying...I am lost

I am not sponsored, I paid the full price like everyone else....I do not sell them...anywhere including France

The translator you are using unfortunately makes reading your posts very difficult, and you are obviously not understanding what we are saying either...

I will stay there

that a standardized width for kite surfing is not planned for the sea water .. in fact we have not the same source of information

you can cancel service my account?
I came here to meet the enormity that I could translate with Google

a width of kite surfing not planned for seawater ... I have a good day
:D

I use the same as you .. and I understand you very well ...

I try to make an effort ..

tchaooo

Then if you understand me, you will understand I am not happy you are slandering me the French Forum....I have been courteous to you, but you slate me on an open forum, it shows what kind of person you really are

Quote:

y as de la suite sur powerkit machin ..popey qui dit que des conneries ..c'est vrai qu'apres la copie du duralixwichar ..j'entend plus parlé de lui :siffle:.... allez faire vos essais avec son largueur à 250 :sm38:

French:dunno:

Quote: Originally posted by popeyethewelder

Then if you understand me, you will understand I am not happy you are slandering me the French Forum....I have been courteous to you, but you slate me on an open forum, it shows what kind of person you really are Quote: y as de la suite sur powerkit machin ..popey qui dit que des conneries ..c'est vrai qu'apres la copie du duralixwichar ..j'entend plus parlé de lui :siffle:.... allez faire vos essais avec son largueur à 250 :sm38:

I'm a villain, not a scoop
but I have not insulted nowhere .. In fact, you should google translator messing.
I put things in their place
announce that Kamove width is not made for saltwater, that the kamove RESISTNCE have a limit of 150kg is also a mistake, I react a little.


and put things in their place, I remember very well the famous "Duralix" wide I could see on your site ..
a very nice must surely give you serious about Kamove

my proposal to conduct load tests on the remains of MK Current events ...
For Kamove .. it's already done.

and as I said, I have nothing to sell
that the kamove is not made for salt water, in fact, it's bull#@%$#!, tell it resists to 150 is bull#@%$#!.
announced on the web forum, BUT ESPECIALLY FACEBOOK is bull#@%$#!.

that laboratory testing does not prove anything, even something stupid
That driving fast is necessarily proof of a good system deployment is also bull#@%$#!
That a system sold 100 copies is necessarily a good security system is bull#@%$#!

How snatchoot sold? many, is a system of security that is something that does not work load? YES, this is bull#@%$#! ... but the one you did not tell ... you are forgiven

Quote: Originally posted by WELDNGOD

Quote: Originally posted by betosoria   The advantage is that it releases even when it is full of sand. For example , a Wichard will not release under load with sand in it. Not true... You have been using the WRONG one. A torsion Wichard does not have a pin. It will release with heavy load and covered with sand.

I do not know the Wichard, so it is not first hand information. Then I must be missing much more information on the use of Wichards for Kitebuggy(if you know a thread I would appreciate it).
I would think that the kitesufing community in France came up with a norm (“AFNOR NF S 52-503 POUR LE KITE” http://www.kiteattitude.com/fr/LA%20NORME%20AFNOR%20NF%20S%2...) is due to the fact that the existing releases (I would think the Wichard among them, I may be wrong) had difficulties in some situations, wet sand among them.
An other relevant issue is that I think that Wichards where developed for an other specific application, I guess they are intended to be used on boats and not as part of kite safety release systems, so I would think even if they can be used for kiting they are not intended for this purpose.
The difficult part I have as an individual seeking an auto-release safety release system for kitebuggy is to choose a system, and I have trouble knowing how convenient is a Wichard.

I wanted to apologize to popeye , as if the translation was poorly done .. I have not insulted just put things in their place.
the kamove is not a finished and complete system is a standard width AFNOR 52-503 .
this width is adapted to the buggy kite practice .. it is now possible for you to get you the same , it's only purpose.
no bizness .

52-503 as the standard was made by the French federation of free flight ( including surfing kit ) following the fatal accident in kite surfing.

Today this standard is not required for the sale of kite ... but this standard is .. it is not THE BIG solution, but it is.
For the practice of kite buggy , we'll make it simple, there is nothing to have guided a beginner .. debrouille with it as there is on the market .. ie .. what a person wants bilui sale .. and it .. no guarantee normal operation in the middle or it evolved .
The system Kamove is just a copy of kite surfing .. since there have nothing .. it 's just an approach

for whichar
simple .. you ask them the question ...
but I already have an answer .. the 52-503 standards is also a response to the accident had whishar .. it works or not it works ..
One thing is sure, it is not planned for kite buggy .. and I speak of manual release .. the automatic version comes out of the head as handyman Sunday.

Could you say a feeling crafty biz .. I said nothing ..

Many wing kite builder takes the 52-503 certification ... some lie.
The only standardized width, simple is scoring above .. as the Kamove.
In France it is the standard account
0 today's date only the 52-503 standard exists .. I contacted the manufacturer wing .. they do not care about our safety kite buggy.
The only answer to MK for their system to be reliable is that the password in a AFNOR certified laboratory.
What would be a guarantee of comfiance

275 euros without the bar. this is what I would at least ..

tell me that champion rolls with .. and it rolls very quickly with the width seems a little lightweight as a commercial gait.

are there in the system comfiant MK?

He makes verified

When I announced the estimated price with full Kamove autolargueur 100 euros, people find it expensive ..

Who should have the MK? to Rothchild?
The kite buggy in France does not address one of the people who have a lot of money.
or when talking to elite.

that you REALLY need an automatic system release? there is also the question

if i ignore it will it go away?

...you're just encouraging him.

Je vois , je me suis inscris ici pour remettre les choses à leur places.

Le Kamove est un bon largueur , tout le systeme (double largueur ) fonctionne.

Je comprend tres bien votre etonnement du prix , c'est normal, personne , sauf KITTEATTITUDE prend sa marge (faible) .C'est legerement normal des etudes mecanique pour se comformer à la norme ont été faites, le Kamove est l'un des seul largueur sous charge qui passe la norme.

KITEATTIDUDE as deja fournis des largueurs Kamove à divers marque de cerf volant de traction , ils sont repartis avec ,sans donné de nouvelles , j'ai pour ma part contacté 2 fabriquand , ils m'ont simplement demander de leur donné le systeme , pour etudié le principe , je ne suis pas mere THERESA ...et j'ai bien compris la demarche , ils prennent essais de faire une copie et voir combien ils vont gagné dessus ... je vous laisse imaginer , la surprise ..
Copier pour vous le revendre 200 euros reste un suicide .. commercialement parlant .

KITTEATTITUDE ce n'est qu'une personne , pas de commercial qui fait du lobing ... voici aussi pourquoi le largueur est si peu connu, vendre des largueur n'est pas le travail principal de Donatien...

l'etude de ce largueur lui as couté de l'argent .. il n'y as pas de retour ..

pourquoi ? il ne raportera que peu d'argent aux vendeurs , votre securitée , ils s'en fichent...
vendre des ailes avec un potentiel dangereux n'est pas leur problemes ... un set d'aile à 4000 euros ! et meme pas un systeme d'autolargage à 100 euros fournis avec ..ca ne les interesse pas.
Je suis partis dans cette demarche .. un systeme qui laisse une chance de s'en sortir en cas de problemes .

il n'est pas chere , ca derange ?

le montage complet est fait par vous meme , donc aucune facture de montage.

Vous ne payer que les materiaux.

voici aussi pourquoi le prix si peu elevé.
Vous ne payez pas pour les intermediaires , il n'y en as pas .

Il est facile de se moquer , je ne parle pas anglais , j'ai juste voulu participer et donner de reel informations ,avec la traduction google , je vous ai tres bien compris , j'ai fait l'effort de vous donner des informations sur le Kamove et tout le systeme d'autolargage ce ne sont pas des oui dire , je sais de quoi je parle , je connais tres bien le systeme.

Je ne doute pas que certains informateurs, bien attentionné , vous ont fournis des informations qui ne vont pas dans votre sens .
Mais une chose est sure le systeme fonctionne , et pas qu'en photo..

je n'ai rien à caché , je ne vend rien ,je me suis juste adapté à un systeme Fiable et indiscutable , et c'est surement ce qui derange .
cordialement

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Je vois , je me suis inscris ici pour remettre les choses..

"I see, I sign here to put things in their places.

The Kamove is a good width, whole (double width) system works.

I understand very well your astonishment at the price, this is normal, no one except KITTEATTITUDE takes its margin (low).This is normal slightly from mechanical studies for will comply to the standard were made, the Kamove is one of the only width under load that passes the standard.

KITEATTIDUDE as already provided in the Kamove exercising at various traction kite mark, they are left with, without given news, I personally contacted 2 fabriquand, they me simply ask of their given the system for studying the principle I'm not mother THERESA.. .and I understand the approach, they take tests to make a copy and see how much they earned above... I let you imagine , surprise..
Copy to sell you 200 euro remains a suicide... commercially speaking.

KITTEATTITUDE this is just a person, not commercial that makes the lobing... This is also why the width is so little known, sell the width is not the main work of Donatien...

the study of this width him as listening to money.. He did not return...

Why? It does raportera that little money from the vendors, your safety, they don't care...
sell wings with a hazardous potential is not their problems... a set of wing at 4000 euros! and even not an autolargage to 100 euros system supplied with...CA does the person not.
I went with this approach... a system that lets a chance of escape in the event of problems.

It is not dear, ca bother?

the full Assembly is made by you even, so no installation invoice.

You pay only the materials.

Here is also why the price so high.
You do not pay for intermediaries, there as not.

It is easy to scoff, I do not speak English, I just wanted to participate and give real information, with the google translation, I understand you very well, I made the effort to give you information about the Kamove and whole system of autolargage it is not the Yes say, I know what I am talking about, I know very well the system.

I have no doubt that some informants, well attentive,: mad: you have provided information that does not go in your direction.
But one thing is for sure the system works, and not only in photo...

I have nothing to hidden, I sell nothing, I just adapted to a system reliable and indisputable, and this is surely what disturbed.
Kind regards"


What is odd is this transcript I just translated is WAY more coherent than whatever rico is using that we could not understand.!!


Is this thread over, now?

Quote: Originally posted by WELDNGOD

Quote: Originally posted by betosoria   The advantage is that it releases even when it is full of sand. For example , a Wichard will not release under load with sand in it. Not true... You have been using the WRONG one. A torsion Wichard does not have a pin. It will release with heavy load and covered with sand.

I may have missed something here but this will not open if it is upside down, there is a top and bottom and if you pull it the wrong direction it will NOT open.

rico, I am not disturbed by the indisputable reliability of the system you are promoting, I am just tired of the agonizing process of deciphering your posts, especially when you continue to repeat yourself over and over and over and over again. I am happy with the MK Splitter and I will continue to use it. are you disturbed by that? "is this thread over now?" no I will continue to post information on the system I have chosen or any others I come across, however I am finished debating with rico, his system looks like it works very well but I still prefer the MK splitter for the reasons I have stated above. besides I am the elite and why would I want to save $

Quote: Originally posted by bigkid

Quote: Originally posted by WELDNGOD   Quote: Originally posted by betosoria   The advantage is that it releases even when it is full of sand. For example , a Wichard will not release under load with sand in it. Not true... You have been using the WRONG one. A torsion Wichard does not have a pin. It will release with heavy load and covered with sand. I may have missed something here but this will not open if it is upside down, there is a top and bottom and if you pull it the wrong direction it will NOT open.

I think it is, (difficult, impossible), to not know in what position is the Wichard works, even in a picture.

With the knowledge of one accident due to sand in a 2673 Wichard is enough for me to make up my mind: I will not be involved in a second accident due to the same problem. I do not think that I will ever have sand in Wichard because I will not use one. Some times I buggy on the beach and I can not be 100% sure I will not get some sand on it. I will not discover in the middle of an OBE due to an unpredictable nasty gust that sand blocked my Wichard based release safety system.

The 2673 is such an open design, I can't see how sand could prevent it from opening. Sand in any of the openings, would seemingly be pushed out by pulling the release.

And why would you use it backwards? Do you not already instinctively know which way to pull it? Have you ever used one? I have had wet sand all over me and the QR,never had any issues. You pull it in the direction of the kite... and it's gone. I'm gonna keep on using what works for me.:cool2: