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[*] posted on 17-1-2015 at 03:30 PM


Quote: Originally posted by ssayre  
Nice work Randy!

This thread has driven me to madness. The time has come for my daughters beginner sewing machine to come out of retirement for the last 5 years. Will this one work?

I'm going to start small. My first project will be a 10m npw

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If it can do a straight stitch you can build a NPW. My old machine was a Kenmore from Goodwill. It might make a good boat anchor. Of course, there is always Dollar Tree tarp and duct tape. I'm sure that one will be fine.

One bit of advice. If you are going to sew - get a "cording foot." They cost only a few dollars. Most valuable kite tool since ripstop. Go on you tube and watch a video of how to use it. (I learned the hard way after making my reinforced seams w.o one.)

Go for it! If I can do it, anyone can....



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[*] posted on 17-1-2015 at 03:46 PM


ha ha ha, I told you that a few weeks ago. Kite are great and fun too.
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[*] posted on 17-1-2015 at 03:48 PM


Hahaha ssayre I am also on the lookout for a cheap sewing machine with the intention of starting off on a 3m NPW.

I wouldn't have even considered building a kite until I discovered the legendary E sometimes works in my home town!

No machine yet though, and my wife will no way sanction a purchase. Going to have to be clever.....

Good luck with your seamstress endeavours, keep us posted!




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[*] posted on 17-1-2015 at 05:09 PM


Quote: Originally posted by robinsonpr  

No machine yet though, and my wife will no way sanction a purchase. Going to have to be clever.....



Try this. Tell her friends you want to learn to sew to make kites. They will be so impressed, they will either give you a machine they aren't using, or ask her why she doesn't get you one. (All of my wife's friends are really impressed that I am learning to sew. I don't know why, but I'm rolling with it.)



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[*] posted on 18-1-2015 at 02:29 AM


It's a really good way to amass brownie points as well..... oh that looks like it needs fixing, don't worry I'll run it through the sewing machine....kerrrrr ching :D



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[*] posted on 18-1-2015 at 08:43 AM


Get rid of the wife, I had 3 and they all are gone. I am free at last
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[*] posted on 18-1-2015 at 02:17 PM


Randy and bigE123 this is the way to go Ha Ha Ha :P




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I seen that I about fell over. They are selling it for $60.00.
I have a feeling that you can only go one way with it. How do you get home??? Just wait for the wind to do a 180.:lol:
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[*] posted on 19-1-2015 at 12:59 PM


I thinking when I get my shop done in the basement, I want to build one of this type of NPW





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A lot of area for the size of the kite.
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[*] posted on 19-1-2015 at 01:38 PM


Renny, what do you use and where do you get your bridle line?
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[*] posted on 19-1-2015 at 05:44 PM


This is what I use, if you make a fid you can make knot less loops.

https://goodwinds.com/line-winders/braided-dacron.html

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[*] posted on 19-1-2015 at 08:20 PM


Do they charge much for shipping? That's usually a killer when ordering small quantities of things by mail.

BTW -I've got a fid - can you tell me or give me a link on how to do that?




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[*] posted on 20-1-2015 at 02:16 AM


Firstly a big big thank you to Robinsonpr for meeting up yesterday, the first time I've seen a Peak in the flesh. Bright sunny day wind very low just a slight breeze @3mph.
These are only my thoughts and as a test was completely unfair, I'm writing this just out of interest and in no way looking to slate one way or the other as they are two very different kites:

In the blue corner: the Peak I standing at a 6m flat area, de-power.
In the red corner: the Hammer junior standing at 7.2m flat area, fixed bridle.

First impression, how does the Peak get it's aspect ratio figure of 4? Mine has a AR of 4.7 and the two shapes are very different. The builds are also very different, the Peak appears more rectangular and uses partial ribs with very deep wing tips, the hammer has full length ribs all TE to LE which reduce in height to the wing tips.

With the slight breeze the Hammer inflated and stood up ready to fly, was able to take off with a slight backward step, rise up to the zenith and do some loops. The Peak needed some jiggling of the lines to get it to sit up and managed to get airborne with a bit of work and some fluttering.

I can see why the Peak build is different, the Hammer is very labour intensive, the Peak with it's partial ribs would reduce build costs and maybe side step any existing patents.

I'm sure there will be another chance to try them out in better conditions where the de-power will prove it's worth and use, plus a few pics will be in order. I'll throw my board in the car as well so we can see how usable they become in an area that we know is gusty, while there the wind changed by 90degs!



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[*] posted on 20-1-2015 at 07:40 AM


I don't have a hammer to compare my peak to ;) but compared to my nasa kites, it turns much slower especially in light wind. The peaks will fly in very little wind but they need some decent wind to start handling well in my opinion.

edit: The peak 1 6m starts to handle better around 8mph+ and starts to produce enough power for traction around 12+. My target wind range for buggy with it is 14-20ish
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[*] posted on 20-1-2015 at 08:20 AM


Very nice bigE123, Randy, I got 1000 feet 0f 100 pound, 200 pound and 350 pound and I think the shipping was about 25 to 30 dollars.

here are two sites:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwITVYXLwv4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5CZzAo0IxE

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here is another site for using a fid

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dave_mitchell/sets/72057594122...
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[*] posted on 20-1-2015 at 08:56 AM


:D cheers, like I said the conditions were really unfair for a performance comparison, but still very interesting to see how the two designs looked side-by-side and food for thought ;-)



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[*] posted on 23-1-2015 at 05:44 AM


My latest - only 1 meter. Its a NPW5 - P which has an extra line of bridles parallel to the center bridles on the wings and an extra pair of darts. It is intended to give more rigidity to the kite and widen the wind window. Comparing to my original NPW5 1 M, I do think the nose is less prone to collapse. Now I need to think of a bit of decoration on it, to make it a bit less boring. This is sort of my poor man's stunt kite. 1 M was about as big as I could make it from one yard of ripstop.





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[*] posted on 23-1-2015 at 06:35 AM


Randy, I have to say that I really enjoy watching all of the experimentation you're doing... fun!



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[*] posted on 23-1-2015 at 06:45 AM


Nice one Randy, I also tried an extra set of bridles on the wing with my NPW21, I ended up removing them but leaving the brake bridles on.



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[*] posted on 23-1-2015 at 09:33 AM


Very nice, can't wait untill I can get back to making kites.
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[*] posted on 23-1-2015 at 02:58 PM


Hi,
Will I been thinking about this for a lone time. Took a brake from working on my kites shop and made a bar for "golden girl".




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I could Have got by with one brake line, but I put 2 there just to be safe. the brake line can be adjusted for what kite you are flying. The NPW are very touchy about their brakes. I going to put ends on the bar for the line set.
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[*] posted on 27-1-2015 at 05:56 PM


Here is some nice u tube on ss delta.

single skin one line kite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN5kbImfpKU

30m2 NPW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsjo0PUnYI


single line flight with single keel parawing and auto pilot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlcvsx3cmt8

delta parachute jump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBUayyTdPoI
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[*] posted on 28-1-2015 at 01:50 AM


:D Why oh why 30m2!!!! You could use your car as a buggy!



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[*] posted on 28-1-2015 at 04:27 AM


The people standing next to the kite when it was getting ready to take off looked like ant next to a big building.
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[*] posted on 29-1-2015 at 03:58 PM


Not exactly a NS3, but I thought it was cute, so I built this .7m NPW 5. Simplified bridles - only 22. Flew right away, as a two line, though the plans don't really specify. (Had to have google translate the plan from Spanish, but I don't think it says one way or the other.) Would be very good for the first NASA to build.

http://www.kiteplans.org/planos/nasa07/nasa07.html





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[*] posted on 29-1-2015 at 03:58 PM


Not exactly a NS3, but I thought it was cute, so I built this .7m NPW 5. Simplified bridles - only 22. Flew right away in very little wind. This shows it flying as a two line, though the plans don't really specify dual or quad so I flew both ways. (Had to have google translate the plan from Spanish, but I don't think it says one way or the other.) Would be very good for the first NASA to build.

http://www.kiteplans.org/planos/nasa07/nasa07.html





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[*] posted on 29-1-2015 at 05:54 PM


cute, you have a winner there Randy
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[*] posted on 30-1-2015 at 03:44 AM


Nice one Randy!



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[*] posted on 2-2-2015 at 08:36 AM


great stuff guys , man i'm diggin' that tracked descender!



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[*] posted on 2-2-2015 at 09:00 AM


Quote: Originally posted by PHREERIDER  
great stuff guys , man i'm diggin' that tracked descender!


What do you do with it? Use it with a kite or by itself?



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